Red Horse

Outstanding! As are all the wise ass comments.

A buddy of mine is chief mechanic for a nearby town- they did the same thing-bought a used heavy spec Mack that some other town had sold off. Had to do some work on it but they have the skills to do it-that is the key-qualified people make things happen!

Well I was at JC Madigan's today (One of the larger equipment installers in New England) and took a drive through the lot. Probably 12+ new F-liner SD 114's (tandems) for Mass DOT in various stages of body plow installation. Also 5 of so Navistar 7400's and one single axle Granite- all municipal plow trucks. Allnice heavy spec trucks, all Allisons. But in looking st the chassis, I would have to say the Granite appeared to me to have the neatest plumbing/wiring. The F'liners the worst. all of the Mack wirting appeared to be tightly wrapped with a heavy tape of some sort that looked like it would do a lot to keep out dirt/moisture and the corrosion that goes along with it. the F'liners opn the other hand were pretty much all encapsulated with the cheap split plastic wrap that you get at AutoZone. The Internationals appeared to be a bit better Six pix attached: First 3 FG'liner F'Liner] Next Mack

Here you go Matt-a little Deere! We had about 24" . One failure- one of the tangs on my junkyard Fisher finally let go-cut some new stock, drilled it, welded back on good to go. Just saw Hamden had 40"- highest in New England

Barry, Great response. What you have proposed to him is a great compromise that a REASONABLE person would find hard to refuse.

No that is Tom. This guy is Dave-retired O & G driver.

Where? Maine timber co pvt roads??

Matt, I was talking to a cousin of mine today and mentioned this. He said that apparently Tilcon got in some sort of legal hassle with an aquisition and was forced to provide Pine Rock with material. In essence he confirmed just what your dad said. He did not have an explanation of just what the relationship was between Farnum and Blakeslee. I can remember though that I was never loaded by Blakeslee -it was always under the hopper for straight stone or by Farnums loader for process. Wow-talk about small world. Didn't Mike and Frankie start or buy a sand and gravel operation somewhere on the shore-Madison or Guilford? They were into drag racing too. I remember Mike graduated from the Univ. of Idaho with a degree in biology or game management or something like that. Anyway he didn't do anything that summer except work on Frankie's new 63 1/2 Galaxie with a 427, dual quads. the authentic drag package with fiberglass nose, lightweight seats, floor mats etc. They took the car home from Bradford Motors, pulled the motor and shipped it to Holman Moody and then spent every Sunday at the strip. We came back from Dover in NY one Sunday night and Monday when Mike got up to work on the car, discovered someone had come into the yard and stole the two four barrels off it during the night. I went back to school in Sept. and they ended up selling the car-talk about pissing a lot of money away! Much more expensive then fooling around with old Macks

Wow-you guys are taxing my memory. Your dad might remember the Camerota boys- Frankie ran a Hough at Pine Rock. His brother Mike-not sure what he did but I think he was there too. Their father was a supervisor there. And I think their grandfather went back to the turn of the century with Blakeslee. I think he got all the laborers right off the boat when they got here from the "old country". I also remember hauling crushed stone out of Pine Rock-but wasn't the scale house and the hoppers run by Farnum? I remember the nice old guy in the scale house- let's see if he were alive he would be about 120 The other thing I remember about Pine Rock. You guys remember Clark-Barone Ready Mix from Woodbridge? They pulled their stone out of there with a Ford F-1100 Super Duty single axle with a 10' body that was about 5' high at the boards. I was a young kid-and a Ford guy- and loved that truck-talk about an overload!

No Matt. I know Tomasso sold out-but in the back of my mind I thought someone had told me that Suzio too had been bought by one of the big Euro outfits. Nice to know they are still family owned. Speaking of Tomasso I hauled my share of asphalt out of the Sackett Point plant-but I'm sure that is gone now. And speaking of oldies, the other day I found a concrete slide rule calculator that was my fathers. A "freebie" from "C. W. Blakeslee & Sons, Waverly St. New Haven" Long before they sold out to Westinghouse. Even your dad probably wouldn't remember, but they had Autocar mixers with a second front axle

So Matt- Are all those boneyard trucks the property of the new owners OR do they belong to the Suzio family??? Usually when one of these big foreign outfits take over they clean house-no sentimentality over old trucks-its scrap value to them.

Agree 100%. I'm on this site every day- ATHS if I'm really bored. Plus I can't swallow some of the stuff that is being done-like spending how much money on those big MFX/Consolidated signs! How long will those be an "attraction"?? Seems like the Federal govt. Got some money let's spend it.

Thx-great amount of info- I post a lot on the Blueoval website and there are a couple of other "heavy truck" guys as well But no one seems to have a clue as to where it is all going. Bought my share of Louisvilles in the old days-as well as Macks- the Fords were in my book great value. Did the arm rests fall off? Yes. did the frames break? Never!

I agree. With all the bad press they took with their last 3406 highway engines, can't believe they had the nerve to do it. Then again, you could spray paint a pile of horse---- Cat yellow snd a lasrge number of people would say...."that is the best horse---- I ever saw! How would you like to be a Navistar dealer? Just what they needed- something else to cut into their heavy vocational sales-their csb with Cat logos.

You seem to have a very broad knowledge of the world scene. Off topic but could you answer this. Ford still builds the Cargo, including one that looks very similar to the clss 7 Cargo that was last built at Louisville before they gve the biusiness away to Daimler. But they also build a bigger version-in Brazil and Turkey. The Brazil built truck has an 8.3 Cummins but the Turk built truck has what they call a 9 liter "Duratorque". What or should I say, who builds that? Ford also just announced they would build a new "world" heavy truck combining the Brazilian version and the Turkish version but that it would be bigger rated for 56 tons with a new fuel efficient engine. Any clue? I have seen videos of the Turk trucks and they are heavy looking cab overs. In some footage they show quad axles with what look like 15/18 yard dump bodies. in very severe service-can't imagine the road network in that part of the world is hardly "Interstate" spec. Wonder if any of those components could end up in US Fords when Bluediamond is dissolved and class6/7 and maybe baby 8 goes to Ohio.

Hmmnn. I wonder if that is why the literature is so sparse about frame specs. In the old days they would list PSI, Section modulus etc. Then again I just have a bunch of the glossy stuff they handed out at Macungie. The less specific they are, the easier it is to mask the commonality of the two. And if you are correct on the new global cab, that will make the case stronger to shut Mack down-hate to say it but that is typically what happens in most "mergers". My bet is people in the corporate structure are known as "heritage Volvo" or "heritage Mack". Guess who always has the upper hand.

Thx- I thought Hagerstown was still called a "Mack" plant. What about the transmissions? Those are built in Hagerstown too -as are the rears? My fear is at some point, the Swedes will say...."duplicated effort- why do we have another marketing organization, why are we building ANOTHER cab structure, etc. etc. And someone will say.."yeah the old Mack customer base? Pretty soon they will all be gone". Case closed. Hope I'm wrong.

Can anyone tell me what is common to these engines? Or is a better question, what isn't the same?-other than color?

Got my B model straps from Cleveland Tank. they have quite abit of stuff. check out website at Clevelandtank.com

This is a test for you old dudes. Anyone remember Peter Longo Trucking? He had a fleet of big Fords when I -91 was built in the early 60's. Mostly T-950's -ten wheelers but also tandem tractors pulling Fruehauf bathtubs. Red with yellow lettering.

Murk?

You wouldn't be related to a guy who had a fuel oil business in the Newburgh area back in 60's/70's?

Very good- but just think with today's regulations, if you could still get a 71 series in a new truck, together with all your normal registration, permit and inspection fees, you would have to file an environmental impact statement and also have a Coast Guard spill plan with you! But I do miss tjhe 6-71!

Yeah but then the windshield will leak!

5thW-Thx-This is the stuff that makes this interesting-you post something and someone digs up a bit more history-I wonder who got it originally from the city?