Red Horse

thx Matt

Matt I have a Mack Operation and Maintenance Manual Form TS 442. Only 208 pgs but attached is a picture of a worm and roller type box which is what you have I believe as well as a picture of the box I have which is a cam and Lever type. I'm assuming that the worm in both boxes is separate from the shaft??? And if so what holds the shaft to the worm???

FT, Inner race. And hollow shaft

Matt-thx very much. I'm checking on the shaft issue. And I also had the same box in a B-68 that I sold to a guy in Maine. So he was checking to make sure he still had the box. So if anyone reading this thread has a clue, please let me know. I'm also thinking I've got a machinist friend, might be able to rework the existing shaft with a new end. It broke right where the bearing sits. As to your thought of dropping it down, My engine is a 237 and it looks like as the block flares out a lot at pan, it would not get past that point. This thing started life as a gas job.

Matt, Thanks for the offer. It looks so much smaller (the box) than the Gemmer 500 that is in it. As the only issue I have is the shaft broke, what you are suggesting is I replace shaft with this one? By the way, today with the help of my machete I hacked my way to what I believe was a B-42 a friend had in his yard. Box was very small.

Well took the B in to get a state inspection today. No problem. Got my sticker and drove a mile and a half to Gulf to fuel up. Finished, when in to sign my ticket, BS'd for 20 min. came out and when I grabbed wheel to pull myself up knew I had a problem. Wheel ends up in my hands. Snapped off right at upper bearing-which was obviously very worn. I guess you could say I should have noticed something ahead of time but in the like 6 years that I owned it can't say It ever felt too loose to me. I guess I'm lucky, I'm a "lightweight" at right around 200 pds. Guy that owns shop that did inspection goes closer to 300! Ultimately this thing would have failed but I'm thinking his 300 pd. "tug" when he climbed up (24" rubber ) may have started the break and then I finished it off. My build sheet says its a Gemmer 500 box. At some point original owner added power steering. Anyone have suggestions on best way to get box/steering column out? Guy that owns Gulf garage pounded a stud into steering shaft then put a socket on it with a Vise Grip I had a "Tiller" and could get it off fuel island.

Nice-he mentioned houses. I had an uncle that bought a Sears house. Small ranch, one car garage and a hip roof. House was delivered in a box car and I remember going to rail yard with my dad in one of his companies trucks-like a 10 or 12' rack body to pick it up. Don't remember how many trips it took.

Before the Ford tractor engine became a production engine in the Louisville, one of the test fleets was one of the biggest home heat distributors in Maine. Good cold weather experience!

Well if Joe gets in, I won't worry about catching anything🥵

Wow- I knew it was pricey-but had no idea it was that high. In any case, that will add to the "wow factor" when guys see this truck!

Nice! red=$$$$-or so I've been told.

Hate to say it but when I was a kid, B & S was the good one-I remember "Clinton"-junk. today I have 4 Hondas. Including one on a 2300 PSI pressure washer that must be 20 plus years old- my oldest was a "college pro" painter when he was in school- talk about hours and abuse.! But hope they can make a comeback.

Well FWD- based on that PDF I guess I understand why it is a million bucks! What is power? And I have to say, I understand both positions in terms of taking time to assess vs jumping into it. Although I have to say, occasionally I end up killing time watching responses on You tube. And I have to say more often than not I end up thinking--"doesn't anyone have a sense of urgency" ? Guys casually get out of truck, no one is rushing?? I guess haste makes waste? Spent 44 yrs in a haz mat world. Know what a 20 lb Ansul dry powder can do as well as what fog can do etc etc. When I first started, one of our bigger facilities in Albany NY had a great fire school set up on property. Old 3700 gal tank trailer that was set up to control various types of conditions , big steel pans to practice using fog nozzles etc. Unfortunately that facility had to quit that when state prohibited private training fires because of "air quality issues".

Actually I do believe it was a Ford ag engine-as QC said built in Brazil. Ford bought New Holland from Sperry Corp in 1985 and I don't think New Holland at that time built anything other than haying and other harvesting equipment including combines. I think Ford offered two truck versions-the big one 7.8L and a smaller one that I think was 6.6L. I think it was going to cost too much for Ford to clean it up emissions wise and that was its undoing. It was replaced in Ford mediums (7000, 8000) with Cummins 8.3. I think one of its selling points was the block was very strong as in tractor applications the block was also very much structural.

And speaking of color? What are you thinking-same as your B 61?

Beauty-excellent job -judging by the before pix did the Navy store it on a beach someplace😎

Thx-nothing specific-just a "civilian" with an interest in fire trucks. Rest assured the next time my town goes to bid, I will probably be asking questions. And it seems this question of "commercial vs custom" seems to pop up from time to time. But always learning something. Like I was led to believe biggest reason for a custom cab was need for everyone to be in a seat that had the scba in it. But as GA-Dave posts-not really the case. And by the way, $1.072 mil for a "quint" -is that some sort of aerial?

I'm not sure Kevin what prompted your comment but I think the key difference is what they offer on "opinion" pages are just that-and IMO they offer a platform for both sides of an issue. As for the article on the Navy, while it was on the "opinion" page it was in fact written by an "editorial page writer" and was identifed as such. And I have to say, when those ship collisions occurred my first thought was .".WTF- we are talking about basic seamanship-rules of the road-what is going on?". The current issue- I have no clue about what is good Navy procedure-I think there are some posters who do- but having spent my life in a haz mat industry I have some knowledge of what should be done when systems are taken out of service for maintenance/modification/new construction. And I'm that old that I started long before "big brother" was taking care of us with OSHA and all the other agencies that spawned procedures such as...lock out/tag out, confined space entry etc. In my early days we had a ton of in house procedures that were constantly reviewed and updated- plus the rookies if they had any brains would stay close to the veterans to benefit from the stories of their mistakes. Like I said.."shit happens". Perhaps the investigation will reveal that there were truly unforseen circumstances that led to this disaster. My bet though is this is just plain inattention-what can go wrong will go wrong. As for the WSJ I think if you want to read a newspaper, it is as independent as can be. Example, rarely do you ever read an editorial piece where they provide some sort of positive position on Trumps actions, without recognizing the negative side of his position. As for news, while I don't hesitate to quote the WSJ on a story, I have often said, when you have specific knowledge about an industry or subject, and some WSJ writer covers that industry/subject, I have frequently found myself saying.."that is BS-the guy didn't dig deep enough". Now if you want to see bias, pick up a copy of the Boston Globe. And the NYT? Forget it!

Coincidence. On "Opinion" page of today's WSJ.."The Navy's Cultural Ship is Listing" Then Bonhomme Richard incident was the basis for the article but the writer then brings up the collisions at sea as well as the incident involving the Roosevelt and Captain Crozier's decision to go public with his plight. A key paragraph...."High profile mishaps and unwanted publicity point to an overarching problem: for several years the Navy has been forced to do too much with too little, a debate that deserves wider attention. The Navy also seems to be suffering from a cultural dysfunction in the chain of command. To repair it, the Navy will need to reinvent its process for refining leaders and even the the services broader mission." It went on to say..."Also implicated was the Navy's "can do" culture-the propensity of naval officers to try to get the job done no matter the cost." And in so many words a failure to say "no" to a mission regardless of the consequences.

Makes me wonder what Adm. Gilday's rank was in 2012 and did he see that report? My guess is he was a Commander or maybe a Captain back then? Add this to some of the recent accidents involving ships that were underway and makes me think if perhaps the Navy has lost "focus" to use a worn out term. I know the bumper sticker.."shit happens" is true but.......????

Thx QF. I took a quick look at Marion's summary and while you might think they would be biased as they are a custom builder, looks like IMO they were fairly objective. To a "civilian" like me, biggest case for a custom is to have at least 5 guys who are ready to jump out with their SCBA on when they reach the scene. Best you are going to do with a commercial crew cab is 3? That says to me if its a staffed paid department, that is key. Rural or non paid- different story I would imagine. My 5000 population town? two paid guys M-F daylight. rest of the time truck rolls I think once two guys are at station. I have to say, I'm surprised premium for a custom is only $30,000 vs a commercial. Then again when I see some of the "recent deliveries" that some manufacturers post and the commercial is a Pete or a KW vs the old days when it might be a Ford or a GMC that figure is not so surprising. I'm sure many guys on this thread have varied opinions.

Well I would say there is no doubt that many deaths attributed to covid 19 would have happened if the infected had come down with the flue or a bad cold never mind covid. But to put covid in perspective, someone sent me the following description of what it means to go on a ventilator. I had no clue it was this bad so I sent it to my sister-in-law who is a retired nurse practioner (nurse with typically a masters degree) for her comment. Her response..."that is why I'm listed as "DNR"!"

So guys, what spec(s) does the NFPA have that makes the use of a commercial chassis difficult?

Talk about Icons.. Ever notice how many ads you see that feature Early Broncos? My son actually had his used in a recent ad shoot. They shot a total of 4 days. His is the Brown/tan one in the picture of mine that I recently posted.

Complete dumbass move. But classic Ford-develop a nice package, then ignore it. I see more Fusions around my neck of the woods I'm surprised the annual sales figure wasn't higher-actually I think it was closer to 200 vs. 100. And its sister the MKZ? I have a 3.0T AWD. It averages close to 25 mpg. On a road trip, with a heavy foot it will do 28 MPG. Not bad for 400HP. And again, a great car IMO that was never advertised