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TS7 ....Here you go Early Astro judging by mirrors

If not the parts business must be very good in Michigan😎

Hah-talk about scuff-or do they turn??

"T"-and do the oil companies still use Michigan trains? I have Pictures of the ones from the 60's and the tanks looked like boxes-talk about high center of gravity.

Kitt Foxx was bankrolled to the tune of $400 grand by Geo Soros. Also Michelle Obama big fan and cheerleader. The amazing thing is this POS comes to the microphone and makes a speech like he was "exonerated"! No dirtbag-they let you off because you paid a fine-the 10 g bail money and because of your past "community service"-more absolute bullshit but they were trying to package it like he was in fact punished. Just think-if the cops hadn't cracked this case as quick as they did we would have had another looting spree as in Ferguson Mo. when dirt bag Mike Brown got what he deserved.

Can't argue those points-unless you are in a mountainous terrain and the power of the Ford 6.7 translates into real trip time improvement. And I would not want to argue that point. It IMO is usually a driver bitch.."this thing has no balls" Some guys just never have enough power-as long as they are not paying for the fuel.

For sure on the hypocrisy of the "smoke free" effort. Camels will f-up your lungs. Weed-only your mind!

No doubt-I'm just referring to the "heavy haul" tractors of today-usually a triaxle tractor, triaxle trailer (with probably 8 wheels per) and maybe a jeep-depending on how much money the customer has or how tough the ruling jurisdiction is.

Paul, And who was Sawmill? I always thought somehow they were involved with Gerosa? In any case, amazing what used to get hauled around on 5 axles in the old days.

Hah-and in the dumb ass state of Mass, our gov is now very worried about law enforcements ability to ID an impaired driver as the technology is not the same as alcohol detection. Wonder why the legalization of all these "recreational shops" was not delayed until the issue of "driving under the influence" was not nailed down first.

Well Kevin I guess we should give them the benefit of the doubt? When you screw up and it is obvious, do you have the stones to admit it? Note Hinrichs said they can adjust the pace of expansion as AV market changes-or words to that effect. Maybe adjust pace as the public wants no part of AV's at least to degree the planners thought would take place. that means "Car and Driver" is NOT changing its name to "Car and Sofa"!

Well if Ford's case was marginal, you think GM's position would be that much better? Then again, as I said, Ford blinked first. With them out of picture better market position for survivors. Doesn't sound like a good position though for someone else to jump in-unless Brazil's economy-as well as rest of SA makes a big turn around.

As Neville Chamberlain said...."peace for our time". And for sure no one at the higher levels knew anything about dieselgate.

Hmnn. I wonder if the discussions with Ford have anything to do with this? Probably not but just how many dance partners can you have? Kevin, what do you think?

$17,857 At 2080 straight time hours per year that is 8.58 per hour.

Agree- I would think if this guy got stopped or worse yet was in an accident the lawyers would be looking for everyone connected with this deal. Maybe benefit of the doubt? He did not want to hold up truck in back of him so threw quicky straps over while he pulled out to yard to properly chain down?

Go to Yu Tube and search New Holland Basildon. This was the big Ford plant..pretty impressive.

Likewise dodge/ ram/FCA. Although from every thing I see and hear, they are already low balling the 5500 vs the 550.

Kevin, The Mack Granite with Cummins power is showing up in a lot of the towns around me as a good front line single axle dump. For sure F'liner and International predominate but the Granites are getting good press. The other trend that continues is a lot of towns continue to buy class 5 dumps. Ford owns that market now but Im sure the GM/International class 5's will show up assuming they do something about tilting hoods and plow head gear! No doubt the Granite cab is overkill for class 6 but again, can't believe they want to jump into that market as crowded as it is.

for sure! Less of the "Jukebox" look of the GM IMO. remember when a grill consisted of a shroud and shutters😎!

Love that green! Got the H & K color code from Art for my B!

Kevin, Hope you are wrong about them being the last, but when I see how little attention they give class 6 and 7, you might be right. Then again, Hackett makes all kinds of speeches about .."trucks and commercial vehicles" as Ford's strong suit. Then again to him, a Transit Connect is probably his definition of "commercial vehicle". I myself see a big future for class 6 and 7-in particular class 6 given driver shortage as well as continued expansion of e commerce where even groceries get "boxed" and delivered. And look at Volvo- they spend money on a plant to build Mack mediums??? Guess they think medium duty as crowded as it is, is the place to be for the future.

Agree, it is a good wt rating to be in-in particular when GM/International are there. Key question I have is just what components did they tweak to meet the 22,000 lb rating. Also the GM/Int JV marketing pitch is their chassis is much more capable than the 450/550 chassis which is not a continual rail. So now Ford is jumping into the 22,000 lb class 6 range with that same two piece rail design?? I think the biggest selling point Ford will have is the 7.3 gas. To your point on landscapers- they don't run the mileage to pay out the MPG savings-diesel over gas. But they need the power. some of these guys around here have high cube dump bodies (for mulch) and they are towing 18, 20 ft trailers-both open and boxes that are jammed with all kind of equipment. these guys need power-7 months a year! By the way, I was hoping they were going to in essence hang the 650 hood on an existing 550, and call it a 600-guessed wrong on that.

F 600 is 22,000 lb GVW, the GM/NAV 6500 is 22,000 GVW -correct? 650 is up to 26,000. I'm sure you are correct-it will rob some 650 sales. However, I'm sure Ford will gladly take those F-600 sales vs. losing out to GM/Nav sales at 22,000. Then again you can get a 650 I think with a rating somewhere between 19,500 and 26,000. F-600 I'm sure will be the least costly 22,000 lb GVW out there. I have to say though, I thought for sure either they would have a new purpose built cab to be used for 450-750 as well as E series (with a lot of mods) thereby eliminating 3 cabs at OAP but I guess they just did not have the funds- might have had to cut some costs on wall hangings or some other trappings at the Train Station.😠

Go to ..."Other Trucks" thread and see Bullheaded's favorable comments.