Red Horse

Clarification-6500 GM ? Truck at dealers? Your first impressions will be interesting.

Hah-exactly my thought today when I saw the news pop on the screen. I truly believe however that for sure that has been his most critical accomplishment-just think of the forward years that would have been in jeopardy had crooked Hillary been in the Whitehouse in terms of the SC make up.

Bottom line-competition will improve the "breed". Ford is arrogant-as evidenced by the marketing guys comment I referred to recently-"like they don't have to do anything"-guess what-as I see things around here, Dodge does well in class 4 and 5 and seems to me they do it on price-so owners have told me. These GM/Binders will be doing it on specs or so it seems-again pricing within reason.

thx for posting. You should post this on BON and see what response is. I'm assuming this is all related to the 6500-which is a 22,000 lb max class 6. I do believe air suspension is an option on an F-650, with 19.5 or 22.5 wheels. I think most of the other items are pretty much equal-def tank next to fuel tank, all kinds of upfitter switches etc. I would think FL is the same. Biggest positive I see is the Allison options-as well as the tilt hood. And both of those IMO will be a big attraction for a lot of fleets Now if these positives you identify ALSO pertain to 4500 and 5500 across the board, Ford and Ram are going to be scrambling again assuming pricing is in reason. As I have posted before, there is an Altech facility not far from me and I frequently drive through yard. In class 4 and 5 it is virtually 90% Ford.awaiting boom/bucket installs. Be interesting to see how quickly the GM and Internationals start showing up in those classes. As for 7, 8 FL and International predominate but seeing more and more Paccars.

RR- Please share. Beyond the tilting hood, as a class 6 what sets it apart from the existing competition??

Well as I see the Syria situation, we had a bit over 2000 troops there who were providing the direction for the Kurds and everyone else. Without that co-ordinated direction it sounds like things will go downhill fast. There are far to many knowledgeable high ranking military types besides Mattis who think this is a mistake. Once again it seems this is another campaign promise that regardless of what the facts/experts say, Trump will play to the galleries with another..."I said I was going to do it and I did". Factual situation has nothing to do with it. As for Nauert, I could not believe it when I heard that news. No doubt she is a very good presenter but........My guess is Bolton will be in the background pulling the strings that make her arms and mouth move. As for Tillerson, now he is .."dumb as a rock". Well so much for Donald's selection skills. I voted for the guy and from my perspective, my no.1 objective ( Supreme Court) has been met. Given fact he won't change his ways in spite of having some good advisers, I have lost faith in his ability to accomplish much more. If he could not do it controlling Congress, think of the next two years☹️

To say nothing of the ongoing cost. Think of it-368 million worth of equipment! How many highly paid techies does it take to run that gear? Carb story says 450-at average salary of???? And what is there mission? To outthink the automotive industry? Or just monitor it? How can anyone do business in that fugged up state?

Great- I wonder when the electric vehicles crank out wonderful emissions numbers who will be looking at the emission numbers of the plants generating that electricity as well as the impact of battery disposal when the batteries ultimately fail.

And for sure, nothing wrong with the alternator!

Uhh-Aero as in like a brick??😎 But beautiful-what a "truck" should still look like!. But I'm so old I have to say as a kid I hated the look of the "round" Mack when the B came out.

Yes he was at Matt's This KW not close to size of an M but big enough-planetary rears-took these shots in 2004-they were delivering a transformer across from Chelsea terminal

I saw him a couple of weeks ago and he did not say anything about that. We were talking about off road stuff and I said something like.."why do guys get stuff like that and you can't show it"-he just smiled and said.."to look at it"!

EJ That is the M45?? or is it 75? How about it Kevin?

Unreal! Given cost of all that specialized equipment, and I'm sure very low utilization rate, can you imagine what the bill was for this move?

Nice Rich-so does this mean you will host next Board Mtg?😎

All good news-will be interesting to see how the new Sprinter does. You can bet there is a lot of reverse Transit engineering in that. Older Sprinters I see running around here are rust streaked! Wonder where MB mounts the batteries as Transits are under driver's seat-not pretty.

Rich-I'm told there is some other guy named "Rounds"-so that is not Danny's truck-so he says.

Yes-kind of surprised by that. And production of 650/750 is low so it muct be all the 450/550 chassis that were moved there.

Good news. Ford owned the fuel oil delivery market in the old days with LN -8000 and C-8000's. At 33,000 gvw, a 2800 gal tank. In my area today, its all F'liner, Paccar and International.

That is why the rumored 7.3 V-8 is so important. Lower first cost, good power, and if you are not running high annual miles the economics make sense.

Thx for jumping in with your experiences. As for your comment on...."first look under the hood....." makes me wonder if the new GM/Navistar class 4,5,6 with their tilting hood does anything for their sales because of improved serviceability.

And just what make is that Loco?

My guess? he drove off the bank while loaded. Tailgate is unlocked so maybe they dumped load before they tried to pull it??

Well it seems to me, that there was little remembrance today on the newscasts. Nothing but ongoing bullsh*t over Cohen. Comey, blah blah. Sad state of affairs.

this blows my mind-talk about "balls". How does this guy get through the red tape the government imposes i terms of all of the testing, safety compliance issues etc. Hmnn -perhaps these things will be sold at Harbor Freight???