Red Horse

Interesting to see if the International.."ultimate work truck" is their version of the Chevy they will be building for GM. As for Hino, how about it Kevin-you betting on two new cab overs? Does Hino build a larger conventional cab in Japan? Larger that is than the 338 class 7 they offer here.

Wise move. From everything I've been reading the 5.0 makes the most sense to me. I have an Ecoboost SHO. Great motor and I get good mileage. But when they put it in a truck, as I saw one guy post on the Ford site..It should be called.."Eco or Boost", because when you pull a lot and have your foot in it, it is thirsty. As for the 6.7 Power Stroke, again-good motor but in my mind, unless you are pulling a heavyn trailer all the time, hard to justify the upfront cost.

Well here in Mass. they are closing the Burlington store-which is in a very upscale complex. Still have two stores that are within 10 miles of me in opposite directions. Went in one just before Christmas to get some tools for my sons and was surprised by the empty floor space. They have really cleaned house-figured the store was next on the cut list but it survived-this round. But to show you how screwed up they are-I always look for "Made in USA" labels. Found some stuff-including tin snips- they had some under "Craftsman" label and exact same ones with the "OEM" brand!

See if this works- another view that has been worked over to give a better look; https://www.autoblog.com/2018/01/08/chevy-silverado-4500-5500-medium-duty-commercial-truck/

Hah- got yah beat -2004 Ranger- and all of my Carhartts are stained, threadbare, and were made in the USA!

agree 100%. They are so driven by the average transaction price (ATP) issue that any chance they get they try to link options up. And no availability in essence in a true work truck-standard cab and base trim levels. Beyond the ATP issue, this says...."We have built a very nice yuppie vehicle so you can take your two plastic bags to the "transfer station" once a week while wearing your designer Carhartts (Made in China). Now for you guys who want to throw a 100 gallon fuel transfer tank in the back of your truck, which happens to be a "plain jane" spec-sorry. Unless "Maxidyne" is correct and qualifying for "fleet status" is just a formality that a dealer can waive and the self employed one truck guy can qualify.

Shocker for sure. Did not know him well but went to an open house he had a couple of years ago. Kind of guy who made everyone feel welcome. And obviously very knowledgeable. RIP

Thx Kevin-but still no specifics in terms of order of finish. I have to say though that a 4 cylinder with those power ratings sounds good.

ah-and just what constitutes "careful engagement"? And "careful engagement" militarily by a third world country?? Like .. "we promise China to never launch a strike against you with our P-51 Mustangs"". In the meantime nothing we have is sacred from a design perspective and from an environmental perspective, oh yeah-we have put much of our own industry out of business with our tough environmental regs while China looks the other way - but does every now and then slap someone on the wrist. I do believe though, nothing like pond reared catfish fed by chickens who "free range" above the ponds on wire mesh!

Like I said-what negotiating power do we have left? Its like our industrial base gave no thought to just who they were jumping in bed with. The only thing that mattered was "getting the job done for least cost". Irwin tools? Vise Grip? Yeah-packaging says.."engineered in America" And Kevin- I hear you. But fact remains-cut off petroleum supply. and how long does the loon last? And there can be NO military option unless you want to kill a few million So. Koreans. Complete isolation of the North Koreans is the only thing that hopefully will bring about a change.

In any case, I have to believe that China for sure holds the key to keeping the loon in North Korea in power. In spite of all the sanctions that have been imposed we now see confirmation that China is lightering tankers at sea so oil ends up going to North Korea. When will we wake up to the fact that China can't be trusted. Yet we continue to give them increasing stakes in all phases of our industrial base. What negotiating power do we have left?? Boycott Chinese goods? We could-but that would mean the end of Walmart! Here's a good thought-maybe Tillerson and Mattis should have to approve any commercial venture involving China

Beautiful! Makes the Bulldog sit a little lower on the hood! The one thing I wish Ford had NOT sold was Volvo.

Hippy you have to give them a couple of close ups of your "wing"

Hope the Ford guys from the US were in attendance-might give them some inspiration!

Class 5 19,500. My bet is Navistar would not have an interest in them getting into class 6 and 7. As for Ford, time for them to come up with a tilt hood for 450-550. When I look under the hood of a Power Stroke 450/550 I say..."sorry for the guy who has to work on this"

So guys-how do you drive these Cats? Put it in a slot-say 5, and it sequentially upshifts from 1 thru 5 or is each "gear" selected with the stick i.e. put it in "1" and it stays in "1" until you move selector up??

Jim-you were correct. Patrick confirmed. Don't know what Allison it is but not your usual Allison. this truck is unique-down to air/hydraulic brakes-

Good thought Jim-I will send to Patrick. A friend of mine sent me this picture with the question dummy that I am we had a meeting in his training room last night-never thought to bring my phone out-Danny M was there too-talk about Mack resources!

Thx - as I look at this picture I see 7 "slots". I drove Scania powered DM-400's in early 70's that had Allisons-don't remember what the selectors looked like but not this for sure. Dm's by the way were NYC spec 3000 gallon gasoline tanks-back in the day when NYFD ruled the that world with an iron hand.

Any clue as to what this is?? Never saw an Allison with a selector like this.

Well that is good news. If they are running at 33,000 you sure they are not 750's? Max plate on a 650 is 26,0000- Not to say you can't carry more-I would be surprised though if any propane tank outfit would mount a barrel big enough to exceed the chassis GVW rating. Last guy has to certify the truck. In any case good to hear that whatever they are-650 or 750 the trucks are working out well.

My point exactly. And I'm not talking about going crazy. The 750 can go up to 37,000 GVW. It has plenty of heavy frame options with high RBM numbers. 14,000 front axle and a 26,000 rear. Might need a bigger radiator. Other than that, what keeps them from upgrading?????? Case in point, there all all sorts of Bluediamond 750's around here in utility co. bucket trucks. Have any of these utilities bought OAP 750 buckets? If they have I haven't seen any. If the old 750 was good enough for that service, why aren't they buying the new truck. I say they are gunshy about the power train.

I would think it is more of financial decision that says they think they are making more on the in house power train. I'm sure they do well with that in house power train -but IMO it would make more sense to capture more sales even if the profit on those outsourced engines transmissions is less-at least you are getting incremental volume that has to contribute to overall profitability. OAP has to have significant fixed costs. Every additional truck that goes out the door, lowers those fixed costs. And by the way I don't think those workers in the Ford plant in Mexico that builds Power Strokes are paying UAW dues!

I guess they haven't figured out yet that one reason their class 7 sales are so low is not everyone wants a V-8 diesel-or a Ford Torqueshift transmission vs. an Allison. All kinds of rumors about a new 7 liter gas V-8 as a replacement for the 6.8 V-10 so that might help if and when that becomes a reality.

Thx-looking at it from a truly global perspective, I imagine then those numbers are realistic. I wonder how many US employees are employed there or even travel to Turkey on a regular basis. And as a followup to Roadway R's comments, seems like the full range of LCF's offered in Brazil and the increased emphasis GM is placing on LCF's for US market makes sense that Ford is working on a return of that class to US.