Red Horse

I hear you on the power train-don't expect to see a camelback! But at least it doesn't look like a VN! Or the "all new vocational cab".

Thx Kev- my only experience with them was with various types of construction equipment-never had any inhouse, on highway stuff-in fact only Deutz I ever heard of on highway was when Diamond Reo (Osterlund) used them for a bit-easily recognizeable by the sloping hoods as they were air cooled. On a personal note, I had rented a boom lift to stain my house. I'm up in the air one sunday morning and engine tone changes- I look down and machine is in a cloud of smoke-lower to ground, and go to shut off-nothing-keeps going. Open engine compartment, pull hose off that goes to air cleaner and jam a rag in it-that killed it. They replaced it next day with a 2.3 Ford powered unit and later told me it had a cracked ring and was pulling lube oil! In any case hate to see another option bite the dust.

Excellent point-Just what I have been trying to point out. He can not be wasting energy responding to the likes of Mika and Joe S-he lowers himself to their level. How does he think he can be distracted by 2 seconds responding to the likes of these idiots? There are too many major issues that he should be focusing on..Every time he comes out with some tweet responding to media bullshit, he reinforces media claims that he can't keep his eyes on the real issues. He is getting great press on his speech in Poland-don't spoil it by going off on some stupid tangent.

So Kevin-was there ever any integration of Deutz into Volvo products-Construction equipment?

Well tough to get a good visual but I think I see enough to confirm its not a Volvo!

Agree guys it is media BS. But IMO he loses his effectiveness when he makes the story of the day some dumb ass pissing contest. Who is the big winner in the Joe-Mika fight? They are-they get the press and stay in the limelight. Trump makes a great speech and is warmly welcomed in Poland. And he starts talking again about the media. He diverts the attention from the real issues-and the issues he is right about, and brings attention back to the BS.

I often wondered how could the Cat deal ever could work. Think of it- a marriage of two losers as far as engine technologies was concerned. A lot of pissed off Navistar customers bitter about all their problems with Navistars decision to not go the SCR route and Cat's mess associated with the ACERT issue. Talk about starting a new venture with two strikes against you.

Well while I wish Trump would knock off his battle with the media, a good example popped up today for those of us who still use AOL. When logging on, I immediately get the message on the screen how the first lady of Poland snubbed the Donald and refused to shake his hand. Then they show the video. And guess what- the Polish First Lady reaches out to shake hands with Melania and then quickly turns to the Donald. All very natural as anyone who has ever greeted more than one person in a waiting group might do-you often reach out to the first person you make eye contact with. AOL constantly blares some negative BS headline then when you read the narrative, it is completely unfounded.

One of my oldest son's pals moved out there-Told me if I ever came out, I would never leave. I get the picture

Double check that figure. Wheeled my share off the ass end of B-81's and LJ's in my "youth" in 60's. I always thought mixers were rated with a "MIx" number and an "agitator" number-difference in that the mix number was what the drum could handle doing just that-mixing a load of dry charged sand, stone and cement. Agitators could carry a substantially larger amount of wet concrete from a central mix plant and keep it turned over in transit. whatever great shot of it in the parade. Also nice when you can personally connect with an old piece of iron.

Given the magnitude of this one-as well as KSC's comment on trouble free nature of the euro version, would be interesting to see who the vendor was-and to take it one step further, where were the materials sourced. As I'm pounding away on a piece of granite step with my 3 lb sledge and chisels that came out of my father's 80 year old leather tool bag, sure am glad there was no question where this steel came from!

No argument on your point on BOF construction. As for your comment on Ecoboost "hand grenades"-please elaborate. My SHO just hit 90,000 miles. Been to the dealer once in that time ( AC issue) What are the issues? These in 150's? And what kind of mileage? I believe the take rate on Ecoboosts in 150's is close to 50%. Given the number of 150's sold per year, that is a lot of experience/mileage o the books.

Rich-finally got around to checking this out- the Rat B is looking good-and there WERE some nice old trucks there-

And in addition to the Bronco, hopefully Ford will wake up and also bring the Everest here. and for those who say Ford has too many SUV variants, I say get rid of the Flex- 2000 units a month!

Well Jack I have to disagree as I think what ever route they took to sell it, it is going to be in the "bright lights". My point is simply if ATHS was going to sell it, with an in house capability they have to outsource it? Give someone else a slice of the pie??? Again, I'm not getting into the validity issue of the sale. That ground has been plowed many times. As I read the letter from Mrs Fox, no doubt in my mind who the truck was given to. As always, how much do you want to spend on legal fees. Let's just hope one of "us" gets it and it does not end up getting stuffed into a container in Newark for a long voyage.

What is worse here? Instead of posting it in WOT, they have turned it over to someone to sell. Not sure what any commission numbers are but when you have a publication that can reach a lot of members, and in particular has its own "want ad" section- why would you outsource this? I could see if you tried to market it yourself and then had no results but turning it over to someone else right off the bat??? Makes no sense to me-and it continues to be a very sore point here in New England.

So when will we see a picture-better yet a video vs a CAD rendition!

EJ- correct on the juice brakes. To get a real appreciation for this truck you should get a look when its on the lowboy and you see the detail underneath. A typical Dave Mauro restoration.

You have to appreciate what Trump said in his cabinet meeting this week. Just what we need-vocational training and expanded apprentice programs. when loons like Bernie spout off about everyone having a .."right to a college education", I say.."In What"? Philosophy? Eastern European Literature? I don't think so.

Thx-good info to go over.

Sorry for your loss but your message is a good one.

Good one-I missed that point. Oh and Fxyfmn-I have to disagree- the mfg sector may be 1/3 rd of our economy, but what was it? You can't pick up one item in five in Home Depot that is made in US. More like one in 8? 10?. Just look at the freight industry of 40 or 50 years ago. The P & D section was a key piece. Why? because "stuff" originated here. Today? Its all coming from China in containers. The "P" in P & D is gone. Its all delivery from the DC after the container gets delivered and stripped. I was in the great Stanley Works New Britain Conn facility a couple of years ago. The only thing they make there now is steel tapes. Everything else? Gone.

and don't forget JB Hunt!

By the way-KW looks good too. Friend of mine recently bought a new one, 26,000 plate ramp truck. 90 grand complete-KW dealer in Fla-unbelievable price-not too much more than a a Hino 238 or an F-650 Power Stroke.

Rich-what show is that? Looks good with the A-car!