Red Horse

As for 650/750-maybe-but there is another school of thought that 650/750 will end up with a cab specifically designed/built for medium duty to include the E-450 cut aways. Ford builds a lot of those and the E-450 is last model using old E series nose. 650/750 and E cutaways now built in Ford plant at Avon Lake Ohio. Will be interesting to see how that shakes out. And BigDog-10-4 on the aluminum bashing while they work like crazy designing their own aluminum truck. The CAFE regs don't play favorites!

RR- Wild thought- do you have to worry about antifreeze doing a number on that tire valve seal? Just make sure cap is on tight???

No Jim- all prior conversations are forgotten at that point.

And add to your parts inventory, the ability to be creative. Now this is timely as I'm getting all kinds of grief about my "inventory"- be it surplus wood, azek, or steel. The "you never know when you are going to need it" argument is under attack.

F-Model-any chance that system might make it into a truck at Avon Lake? In any case nice to hear some American talent is going into the Cargo.

F-Model-any chance that system might make it into a truck at Avon Lake? In any case nice to hear some American talent is going into the Cargo.

"Lay us off because of no orders? Well we will show them". Brilliant!

biggest challenge Ryder faced? Finding decent looking "lady" wrenches- yes wrenches-not wenches! -and if my wife saw this post I would be dead!-make that..."deader" Agree by the way with everyone elses posts- duh- yep gross physical damage-how is your eyesight!

KSC- THX for this bit of history. I was in the middle of buying a couple of new tandem straight jobs for a lube oil operation we had when the tank supplier called me with the news-. I called a dealer I was doing business with and he had no clue! Sad day. F'liner stole the business and bought a lot of market share for peanuts. Another Jacque Nassar "achievement"

Watching the "Five at Five" on Fox tonight. Dana Perino nailed it IMO when she said words to effect this is a situation that calls for governments and their military to take the action to correct the conditions that are causing these people to flee. Again, We and the EU can spend all kinds of money trying to accomodate resettle these people or the money can be spent to correct the conditions that are CAUSING the dislocations. Many would say-"none of our business" but we end up paying anyway-so what is the best option??? and by the way-looks to me like for every one that looks like a true "refugee" fleeing from some horror, I seem to see some young dude with nice clothes and a cell phone- like-"where's the free stuff"??

Guess Ford Otosan doesn't do "wrong side of the road" tractors?

With a fair amount of fire truck front endfailures in the news, I would say wise choice!

OD thx- to respond, I have to treat thisas a new message rather than clicking on the "quote" block. By the way, MacBook pro here-does the maleware site work on Macs? and to "send" this I have to click on "more reply options"

Late question- is the front suspension independent??? In any case, very nice looking piece and it soiunds like you guys put a lot of effort into its functionality..RotoRay excluded!

Well I just finished a 1100 mile RT out I-84/80 to western PA towing a tandem U haul 6 x 12 open top to pick up a 1500 pd. Land Pride power rake. The fools at Uhaul still have the ban on renting to Explorers so I could not use the wifes 2010 Explorer 4.6 3V/6 speed with 7300 lb factory tow package. instead I borrowed no 1 son's 2005 F-150 crew, 5.4, 167,000 miles. Old girl did great- over 14 mpg, AC never skipped a beat and if you had her up to say 2100 RPM when you hit the big grades, did a good job of holding OD before it would jump out of OD. Now may be my imagination, but it did seem, the truck most likely struggling on some of those long grades, just happened to be a Volvo. Must be most Volvo operators tend to load to a higher GCW than operators of other makes???

When I look at the money the EU is paying to deal with this situation the thought comes to mind what if those funds were directed at remedial efforts at the source countries? does this mean military action to protect these people in their homelands? Perhaps in some cases. But if some order were brought to bear, I'm sure the rebuilding efforts alone could offer these lost souls some opportunity thy likely will never receive across the new their new surroundings.

Well Maddog, no argument about the 7.3. As for 6.0, 6.4, another story-best way to describe those two is "designed by committee" and between Ford and Navistar they couldn't agree on too many critical issues. As for Ford diesels, don't think there were too many bad things about the Ford 6 cyl ag motors that replaced the 3208 in the mediums-their downfall was they were dirty I believe and it would have cost too much to clean them up. Regarding 6.7, as KSC has educated us, designed by AVL of Austria and built by Ford in Mexico. Been out what- 4 or 5 years now? Saw a post somewhere recently about Ford techs still having plenty of 6.0/6.4 work but the 6.7's are not to be seen in the service bays with any regularity. Hope its true. JerDan wrecker dealer in my area seems to move a ton of 450/550's with lifts and there is a local Altec operation and in their yard, Fords in the 19,000 lb and under class outnumber everything else by a huge margin-mostly 6.7's-awaiting buckets. Like I said, 6.7 at 33,000 to 37,000 gvw will be a make or break case and I can't believe they would be dumb enough to bet the farm on this motor as their sole diesel option if they had not tested to the max.

thx guys. further point-to do this response I had to select..."more options"- just response block doesn't work

So what gives? Is it my Mac Book or is there a system problem. I get a continual "message" indicator but it is always some ad gimmick. Also if I try to respond to a post, it will not bring up the response block. Is it me or a system problem?

Teamster Grrrl Thx for your post-interesting stats- hope you are right.

Well KSC, here is a question for you. I, like a lot of people, are skeptical about Ford's decision to use the 6.7 Power Stroke as the sole diesel option for the new 750. Keep in mind this thing can have a 37,000 lb GVW plate and a 55,000 pd GCW rating!. I'm sure Ford is banking on their 250,000 mile warranty as proof of their confidence in this motor's ability but if I was a fleet manager, I would not be jumping at the chance to prove they are right. So what option would they have for a 6 cylinder? - always Cummins. But thinking outside thebox, I know FPT has a sales office in Michigan. And as Ford is using the FPT engines in the Cargo, how viable would that be-for both companies. I can't imagine it would be that difficult to certify these motors for the US and as FPT is now spun off from FCA (true?) we should not have to worry about Sergio trying to block the deal should Ram decide at this point they want to expand into class 6/7. Your thoughts?

Wishful thinking guys- The new world Ranger is a great vehicle-as is its Everest SUV counterpart. My bet is we won't see either This quote says it all IMO: Ford’s truck group marketing manager, Doug Scott, told USA Today last year that Ford was considering bringing a smaller pickup back to the U.S. but that its price and size would need to be different enough from the F-150 to make it worthwhile. "We're looking at it,” Scott told the paper. “We think we could sell a compact truck that's more like the size of the old Ranger, that gets six or eight more miles per gallon [than a full-size truck], is $5,000 or $6,000 less, and that we could build in the U.S. to avoid the tariff on imported trucks.” the F-150 is a cash cow and they won't trade a 150 sale for a lesser cost Ranger. If they build anything it will NOT be a BOF truck but rather some cheesebox based on a Transit connect or some other econo box I'm afraid. Take goodcare of your old Rangers boys!

Interesting to see what the powertrain is. I believe I read the BAE entry was powered by the Ford 6.7. Can't believe they would use something as complex as that in such a vehicle.

Barry Help! What is this crap that is always on my message board..."Banner". I can't get rid of it!

Actually the new order guides list a GCW at 55,000 lbs. It also lists a 26,000 lb REAR axle rating. couple that with the 14,000 front that is listed and assuming the correct rubber/spring ratings you end up with a GVW of 40,000lbs! The max GVW however is listed at 37,000 lbs. That is class 8 territory. Talk about putting it on the line! the 6.7 Power Stroke and the 6 speed Torqueshift as used in say a "one ton" are going into a 37,000 lb truck! Granted they are supposedly significantly different in the HD versions but still ......I guess the 250,000 mile powertrain warranty is supposed to be testimony to their confidence. I certainly understand the desire to use the inhouse powertrain, but I hope in time we see the Cummins, Allison, Fuller options back in the option book.