Thanks for the replies guys. Been around trucks all my days but am a very recent convert to Mack, we don't have many of them in Scotland but since coming down to NZ have been pretty much surrounded by them. I have been working mainly on Kenworths, Internationals and what the Japanese call "trucks" (Nissan, Isuzu etc). Cummins, Cat, Volvo and Scania are my speciality so I dont know much about the Mack motors, hence my questions. I only recently bought the R series and am growing rather fond of it, once I get it the way I want it I will hopefully be using it most days as a working truck so want a good strong reliable motor in it. I do prefer a "mechanical" motor but have no issues putting an "electronic" motor in as long as its a good one. I was looking at a 454 but was told to leave it where it was as they are bad for heads. Ideally I would like around 400hp but would settle for 350hp in the mean time! I do have an idea concerning a 450hp Scania V8........ Mutt.