fxfymn

Didn't the 144' ladders incorporate some type of elevator to reach the tip? I remember how tight the 135 E-One ladders were at the fly section, I cannot imagine what the 144' would be like.

Being in NJ I assume you have a shop in your area that does brake re-lining; if so I would check with them. When I took my shoes in for re-lining the shop told me that the same brakes were used extensively on fork lifts and that parts were available. You might also try a shop that repairs the large fork lifts that are used at places like marinas.

I believe they had some sort of a marketing agreement with Mack to sell the ladders that were imported from Germany. The big selling point was the availability of their 144' ladder, a much taller ladder than what was available here. Over time most departments discovered that there was no great advantage to the taller ladders. After all when you are dealing with fifty story buildings, around 500' tall, what difference does another 44' make? Instead tactics were developed, along with building code changes, to deal with high-rise incidents from the interior. We had two 135' E-One ladders for about ten years. During their service life I can only recall a couple of times when the extra 35' was necessary to accomplish our objectives. Given the low use versus the extra cost we opted to phase them out. Aerial ladders main benefits are in gaining access to the roof and upper floors of non high-rise structures, usually buildings six stories or less; 100' is plenty of reach for that under most circumstances.

Are they the type that uses an Allen type wrench to adjust? You really need to post a picture of what you are looking for.

Let me play the devil's advocate in defense of the board members; you obviously heard about the truck from someplace other than this forum, so there is a very real possibility that the final purchaser did the same. I agree with you; the fault lies with the seller, not the purchaser who may not be aware that the seller sold it twice. I know that if I were purchasing anything that the seller represented as having sold, but would stiff the seller if you were willing to give him more money, I would run the other way because the seller is obviously not trustworthy. You may be better off by the turn of events if the seller was this disingenuous. Chances are the truck was not what he said it was either. My motto is "There is a reason for everything in life, sometimes you just have to wait to find out what the reason is." It still sucks though.

Outriggers! You don't need no stinkin' outriggers. Where is your sense of adventure? Brake lights? Use the redneck fix and turn the parking lights on every time you hit the brakes.

Doug, I'll be there for the clam bake. I'll PM you later about volunteering. Carl

I haven't replied to the thread because its still a tough topic to talk about for me. Every incident you respond to changes you in some way, but 9/11 was one of those that changes everything. To this day I can remember how clear the day was and how the loom up from the Pentagon stood out against that sky. Lots of folks risked a lot to help those who were attacked for no other reason than they were residents of the greatest democracy in the world. Whether it was the WTC, the Pentagon, or Shanksville, every person who responded to the needs of the fallen was changed by what occurred that day. God bless all who made the ultimate sacrifice and to those who have lived with the consequences of doing what they would do for anyone in need.

Sorry Doug; the comment was based on this years slate. OBTW; I think the ATCA is definitely on the right track and is what I want in a club. Thanks to you and all of the BOD who work hard to make it fun for the rest of us.

Thoughts and prayers to the folks who are injured. Ammonium nitrate is one of those items that can be quite difficult to deal with as a first responder. Unless it is contained and shocked, or on fire, it is not especially hazardous, but as history has shown when the right conditions exist it is one of the most lethal explosives around. The Grand Campe explosion in Texas City, the Oklahoma City bombing of the Murrah building, and the West Fertilizer plant in West,, TX are all examples of the power of Ammonium Nitrate. Unfortunately a lot of first responders aren't willing to watch it burn without taking action to try to suppress the fire. It's a gamble a lot of folks have lost.

Make sure you contact steelman; he says that he has a parts book for this truck.

Just got my "Double Clutch" and much to my surprise I see Mike Yarnall is running for the board. Mike is a long time active member here and I know he would do a great job representing all of the ATCA members if he is elected. I don't recognize any of the other candidates as being members here, but if there are my apologies in advance for not mentioning you as well.

Welcome; nice work. Try sending a PM to "steelman" My bet is he will know your answer. I checked Montville's book "Mack" and none of the pictures of that era's trucks are clear enough to make out. I assume you have already checked with the Mack Museum?

Nice pics. Get up to the Cole's Museum in Bangor if you have time. Well worth the trip.

Never missed having water in my shop; especially when I have to worry about it freezing. I assume the small rooms are for machinery such as the air compressor. Make sure the doors are big enough to get them in and out. Room for a small fork lift to get in is even better. I used wall mount overhead door openers to keep the overhead free of clutter and pre-painted OSB T-111 for the walls. The T-111 doesn't get as beat up, allows me to mount anything I want, and is removable if I want to make electrical changes down the road. At about $23.00 per sheet it was cheaper than drywall when you figure hanging, finishing and painting.

Check with the museum; they will have a shop drawing for the part.

7 hours isn't much time. The airport is north of the city so a cab or limo would probably be the best way to get into town. Once you get down by the Presidio you will have access to most of the tourist type things to do such as the cable cars, Fisherman's Wharf, and Ghradelli's chocolate. Like most cities SF can be quite difficult to get around unless you know the "lay of the land". If I were you I would think about setting up some type of guided tour with a limo company. The driver should know where to go and it would free you from worrying about getting back to the airport on time. Enjoy the trip.

Looking at the pictures I would flush the pump with another truck if at all possible before you try to turn it. Put the hoses into both the intake and discharge side alternately until the water runs clear out of the pump. Take the steamer cap off one side and put the pressure to the other steamer using an adaptor. Then put pressure on the intake 2 1/2" inlet; out the opposite steamer; In through the 2 1/2" discharge; out the opposite steamer; etc. If the engine starts you can try to turn the pump by putting the engine in reverse instead of using the correct forward gear. This usually works if it is jammed with crap. Just be easy with the clutch. Frankly, I understand your desire to get everything working, but you probably have bigger fish to fry. The truck can be shown and driven without the pump working. Just make sure the transfer case is working properly.

Kind of funny since many departments get more upset if you remove the name from the rig. Most places have pride in their rigs and history and want them retained, not changed or destroyed. Some municipalities feel compelled to sand off or paint over their names in a misguided attempt to prevent the new owners from representing themselves as employees of the municipality. Sometimes the lawyers win. Bottom line; drive and operate the rig responsibly, always remember you are representing the department that is on the rig as well as the fire service as a whole, and use common sense.

They let you off because I assume you told them it was a sick dog and you were on the way to the vets office!

I suggest that you make a list of what is missing to post here. Most of us have a "stash" of various bits and pieces that might be helpful to you. Is the bell gone? If so Cal Little usually has mounts and bells for B models. The deck gun is most likely an Eastman. Still found at flea markets, As for the right fender; it is not beyond repair by someone with fabrication skills, but finding one in better condition shouldn't be all that hard. The problem is going to be the suction pipe running through it. By the time you do the modifications to make a new fender fit you might be better off to just fix the existing one. Not to be too presumptive, after all it is your truck, but please don't "re-muddle" the rig by replacing the steel diamond deck with aluminum or using the wrong bell, etc. This piece is a very historically important piece of fire apparatus and deserves to be treated as such. Have you written the Mack Museum with the chassis number to get the owner's manual, delivery pictures, etc. yet? If not you really need to do so. For a small donation they will send you quite a package, plus I'm sure the curator would love to know this truck still exists. Additionally Mack still has all of the original shop drawings for this truck on file. For example if you need a drawing of the missing cabinet door they will have it to send to you so you can reproduce it accurately. Good luck with the restoration and let us know what we can do to help out.

So glad to hear it is still around. Congrats. Are any of the others still in existence? What is the chassis number?

Congrats Mike, great find.

Try calling Matt Pfahl. He is parting out some L's.

Nice pics. MA is probably the only place where you will see that many large 6 wheel dumps. They just don't appear in the other parts of the country.