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You really ought to look for a pump; it will greatly increase the value and is one of the things that make this truck unique. Besides, couldn't you use a wash truck to keep the rest of the fleet clean?

Based on the enclosed cabinets I would say it has been re-habbed. Paint says it came from St. Paul. Closed cab and rear windshield make this on a little unique since most L's seem to be semi-open cabs.

Keep in mind that many posters here do not have fire service experience. We can joke about this, but we both know how dangerous a standard shift rig is when it is on fire. It is not fun when the starter engages and the rig starts moving on it's own. If it is in neutral and the parking brake cable burns through it can turn into a runaway pretty quickly. The first inclination is to try to stop the truck in either case; a real easy way to get run over. ALWAYS chock it before you start to fight the fire, just like you would before you fight any vehicle fire. The truck is replaceable, you are not.

Are you going to put the pump back on? It might be worth a call to the fire company that sold the rig to find out what happened to the pump. I have found that fire companies don't always follow through on grand plans and items such as the pump end up kicking around until someone throws them out or sells them for scrap.

Sorry for your pain and I hope it works out for you. This should serve as a reminder for all antique apparatus owners to ALWAYS have at least two portable extinguishers on your trucks that are operational and readily available. Not the little 2 1/2 pound car style, but real ten pound or greater extinguishers. Think about what you are going to do if it catches fire before it happens. I.e. cut off batteries to stop fuel flow, set parking brake and wheel chocks, then use the extinguishers.

By engine do you mean fire engine?

Welcome to the site. I assume the engine is an ENF510A (2 spark plugs per cylinder), correct? If you still have the old water pump the best thing to do is to get it rebuilt. There are many places out there that will do it; I would ask around at a local truck repair shop about who is good in your area. The best thing to do with the gaskets is to use silicone as a replacement or you can make them out of suitable gasket material. Have you tried a truck parts supply house for the tie rod ends? If you have them off already take them with you to a parts house with the Mack PN and they may be able to match them. I assume you have already done an online search. If not, you may be surprised by what comes up if you start digging. Good luck and post some pictures of your truck when you get a chance.

And it also makes you obsessive about your kids when they start driving. For the entire time they lived at home after they started driving I was convinced that every time they drove away would be the last time I saw them.

Let's see; mid-eighties to now 25 years plus or minus, 8760 hours possible hours per year = 219,000 hours. 80,000/219,000 = 36% which means it ran over one third of the time or roughly eight hours per day, every day for 25 years. @ 30 mph it ran about 2.4 million miles. I'd call that reliable!

I looked for the picture and I was wrong; it is an E model, not an A. Sorry.

I have seen several in south Jersey and Delaware. Since most use converted gas tankers they are even more unsafe than most tankers. 6000 gallons of water = 50,000 pounds; 6000 gallons of gasoline = 39,000 pounds. The better ones use converted milk tankers.

You haven't lived until you have experienced fighting a fire in one of those buses when the air suspension blows out and sends the bus to ground level. Makes for a quick "pucker up" situation. Also makes for some one-armed firefighters if you aren't careful.

RODEO SEX Two Texans were out on the range talking about their favorite sex positions. One said, "I think I enjoy the rodeo position the best." "I don't think I have ever heard of that one," said the other cowboy,"what is it?" "Well, it's where you get your wife down on all fours and you mount her from behind. Then you reach around and cup each one of her breasts in your hands and whisper in her ear, 'Boy, these feel just like your sister's.' Then you try and stay on for 8 seconds."

One of the many things I learned early on the job is life is short and you had best live your life the way you want now, because tomorrow may never come. I can't tell you how many accidents I responded to where someone was killed through absolutely no fault of their own. They kissed their spouse goodbye in the morning and never came home again. Makes you appreciate life.

They were used in a lot of fire apparatus applications and I don't recall any particular issues with them other than they made the rig pretty fast.

I might have a picture of that rig with the pump in place. I vaguely remember seeing a front mount pump A model in some pictures I was viewing lately. Now if i can just remember where and when I saw it. I'm sure there were not many front mount A models.

Get it Mike; that's a pretty rare one with the American body.

Any idea what type it was? 75A, 505A, etc.? To post pics go to "more reply options" in lower right of "reply to this topic" at the bottom of this screen you will find a section labeled "attach files" click on the "browse" command to find the location of the picture you wish to post on your computer. Once the picture is "found" you than click on the "attach this file" at the very bottom of the page. The picture will load with a "add to post" or "delete" next to it. If you wish to post the picture click on "add to post". When you have added the pictures you wish to post click on "preview post" to make sure the pics will appear as you want them to. When you are satisfied with the results click "add reply"

Open cabs actually go back to the days of horse drawn apparatus. Obviously, all horse drawn stuff was "open cab" and since the fire service is very tradition bound they kept the open cab as apparatus became motorized. They did provide better visibility when sizing up an incident, but only when the weather was nice. The 68 riots were really the death knell of open cabs for most cities, not government regulation. Open seats did not provide any protection from thrown objects and cities quickly started adding canvas tarps or other covers for the member's protection. FDNY converted it's entire fleet to fully closed apparatus in the years following the riots and as far as I know was the first to go to fully closed equipment by using things such as a "phone booth" type enclosure on the side of some rigs for members to stand in. Other cities such as Detroit had used "sedan" type pumpers that provided enclosed riding seats going back at least into the fifties. Like many older folks who were on the job I drove and rode many open cab rigs. They were sweet on warm spring days, but overall they were a PIA in most conditions. Nothing sucks like riding back to the fire house in an open cab in a cold rain after being on a fire for several hours in near freezing weather! Bulldogboy was close on the open jump seats. The case happened in Brookline, MA and the member died as a result of falling off of the apparatus while responding to a call. The manufacturer, Pirsch, had installed a chrome grab rail across the roof of the rig mostly for looks. The widow sucessfully argued that the rail invited the rider to ride standing up in the jump seat which is what the member was doing when he fell from the apparatus. The grab bar above the tail board fell into the same category and thus apparatus builders quickly started putting warning signs on the back step that advised the bar was not intended for riding the back step while responding. NFPA 1901 also "outlawed" back step riding around the same time. I rode to many a call while standing in the jump seat. A member would typically throw their gear onto the rig so you could get out of the station quickly. We would than stand in the jump seat and put our gear on while responding. Not smart or safe, but in the fire service you typically traded safety for speed at the time. The latest NFPA standards do require enclosed cabs and seat belt equipped seats for all members. Departments are not required to follow NFPA standards, but most manufacturers will not build anything that does not comply since there have been successful lawsuits over equipment failures that did not comply with NFPA stadards even when the department did not choose to comply with the standards. That is why small rural departments such as the one from KY that recently posted pictures of "non-compliant" apparatus can still use them.

I recently bought a Milwaukee skill type saw designed for cutting metals so I could fabricate a soft sleeve holder http://www.amazon.com/Milwaukee-6370-21-8-Inch-Cutting-Circular/dp/B0000WUQI4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1333460819&sr=8-1. It would do a great job of cutting one angle down. I am really impressed by this tool. It cut a sheet of 12 gauge mild steel like it was going through 1/4" plywood. Or you could weld a new piece to the correct sized flat stock and grind the weld to make it look like it is one piece. One other option is to write the Mack Museum for a copy of the shop drawing of the part in question. They supplied me with a complete shop drawing of the hose holder and the leather strap assembly for the holder. Send them a part number and they may surprise you.

When the restorer started getting the 25 AB ready to start he discovered that the internal water jacket on the intake manifold is shot, so any leads on a replacement would be appreciated. If we can turn up an entire engine as a parts donor that would be even better. One lead we have is that a NOS AB manifold was on E-Bay a few weeks ago, but we cannot find the seller's information. Any chance someone followed it and still has the seller's information?

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I'm interested. Where is it and what are you asking?

Yes. it has done it since I bought it. So far I have rebuilt the transfer case and the differential. Since it only occurs in fifth gear I am pretty sure it is in the tranny and is most probably gear lash caused by end play from an incorrectly shimmed shaft. But, it really threw me when the sister truck to it did the exact same thing. (Mine is 1028, the other truck is 1029 and they are virtually identical) The drive shaft is tight and since the noise does not occcur at the same speed when it is in fourth as it does when it is in fifth, I doubt it is in the driveshaft or universals. Beleive me, any and all ideas are welcome. It is driving me crazy.

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