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Will be interesting to see how they make out, but it will be a hard road. Here are a few things I have noted because I have shopped medium duty trucks hard. I've had reps from Mack and other manufacturers tell me at trade shows that Hino's are dead reliable and they don't know how they make any money because they never break. That's something to hear from competitors. I like the KW T series. They are the most big rig like, and have very good fit and finish and build quality with good components. But small cab and no crew cab option from factory. Freightliner is ok, pricing very competitive, all cab options such as extended with seat or bunk and crew cab. But they can be electronics nightmares. Lots of modules I have had fail. The International Durastar is one that can be a plain, uncomfotable, underpowered fleet truck, or they can be optioned up not too bad. But where Chev/International CV and Ford rule, and why they are hard to beat....they are the most luxurious as they use high end pickup truck style cabs and interiors. They also offer extended or crew cabs. They also offer factory four wheel drive in a from that is not overly high or big size-wise. And they offer more power and torque ratings. And gasoline engines. And huge dealer networks. Hard to beat that.

I agree RoadwayR....they need a gasoline option. All the school bus companies and ambulances around here have gone back to gasoline engines over the last year. The new diesels are too costly and unreliable.

How did this one slip by you guys? I saw it announced in the trade mags before I saw it here. You Mack guys are slipping! Hahahaha. You know, I HATE the Anthem, but I like this as a medium duty. This is the first Mack that has interested me since the mid 2000's.

Send the bill to the EPA and the government for forcing this crap to market, that is doing NOTHING to save the environment. We could all be driving reliable trucks that get 10 MPG right now if it wasn't for this crap.

And how do you keep that coe plow/sander so pristine condition when it is likely in salt all winter? My new 2020 looks like crap already from the salt. LOL

I always loved the looks of those Futurliner's. That would be cool to put some more power into and make it into an RV conversion.

I have a friend in New Zealand that has been sending me pics of the new Isuzu cabover he drives. I was quite surprised in what they have to offer. I have only know Isuzu as medium duty cabovers as that's all we ever see here. I had no idea they made a class 8 400 horsepower model. it's a nice looking truck. But my favorite truck from over there is the International 9870 cabover.

"Tesla is coming"........not to my yard it ain't. Hahahahaha

I had the AMP power folds on my old F350. They were nice and to my surprise they stayed working through my Canadian winters. Only thing I didn't like is I was always in and out of my truck when it was not running, so I was always drawing on the batteries. So I just got fixed aluminum boards on my F550 now. That's a good looking truck cncFireman

I wonder why they are not promoting it for dump truck applications yet? I don't know how the X12 performs in real world, I have not driven one, but I have pulled 140,000 pounds up and down our endless 8 to 12% hills for years with E6 350 Mack's and 1650 torque Detroit's. So a 1700 ft-lb X12 should do it too.

Obviously the thicker the better if you can afford it. But 6 inch thick is plenty for loaded trucks and excavators and anything else. Everyone I know has 6 inch slabs and have never had an issue. And do yourself a favor. Put down poly vapor barrier and a layer of rigid insulation under your pad. Your floor will stay warm and dry. Makes a huge difference. No damp cold floor to lay on.

Thank you Outbehindthebarn. You said you are looking at one with a mechanical E7........I never ran the mechanical E7 (only mechanical E6 and E9's) but I did drive a CL with the first electronic 400 E7. I know it ran good and was problem free. And it would pull almost as good as the 460. They didn't seem to have all the electronic malfunctions the later versions of VMAC electronics had. What year is the one you are looking at? Do all know the specs?

I have driven a lot of heavy spec CL's but here is my old 2000 CH. It was double frame, 14,000 front, 46,000 Eaton rears on Mack air leaf. E7 460 with an Eaton 18 speed. One of the smoothest riding and best handling trucks I have ever driven. Also the best factory headlights I ever had. Never even had a need to use the extra 100W auxiliary lights. It just inspired confidence driving it. No matter if it was white outs or freezing rain, it never did anything that made you feel uneasy. That truck sure worked good. Used to haul bark and logs with it. It was like a bulldozer. I had the temp sensors ripped right off the diff pots and it never got stuck. I can't explain it, but that truck just worked better than most I have had. The downfall.....the E7 full of casting sand and electronics gremlins. When it decided to run though it pulled good. I ran with guys that had same loads and trailers and they had Series 60 500's and 475 Cat's. Yes they could pass me on the hills, but I could keep them in sight.

Beautiful!! Very nice work. I got a ton of respect for all you guys that restore these trucks. I wish I had that kind of talent.

The mass ground point inside dash on driver side A pillar. Clean and check your grounds. At least that's what it was on my 2000 CH when I used to have it. Always had the malfunction light coming on and off and the truck randomly shutting off and starting right back up while driving down the highway. Dealer never could figure it out. They changed all kinds of harnesses and ecm. Was just the mass ground. Found out many years later.

Ya, it's a shame these icons of trucking never got the attention or recognition their car designer brothers got.

Yes, interesting. Thanks for the info.

Every time I look at that round headlight Superliner it reminds me of the one that used to be in town here back in the day pulling log trailer with the V8 Detroit in it. It was very odd to me to see that Superliner coming with 2-stroke sounds coming out of it, LOL.

https://www.priestlysalvage.ca/movie-props.html Scroll down until you see it. These guys are in my province. Why couldn't I see this before i just went and spent my money on an F550!!!!! Anyone wanna buy a Ford F550?? LOL.

I think all these new restoration and custom car shows on TV have screwed up any chance of us normal working people from ever affording another classic to build at home. Everyone thinks the old junk sitting in their field is worth $100,000 now because of these shows.

Yep. I once worked for a fleet that had a whole bunch of V8's hauling salt all winter. Those things would always start no matter how cold it was out.

Nice. I wish I would have kept some of mine. Only one I still have all the books from is the 88 R model.

These trucks are sweet, but when I saw the episode with the company making the new Power Wagons I looked them up. Since I wasn't born rich I really ain't gunna spend $200,000 on these pickups, LOL.

I had my puff limiter plumbed into the air switch on my dash that was for the Mack 12 speed as my truck was converted to a 15 over Eaton before i got it. Two settings....driving through the scales compliant and full throttle response!! LOL. Before that when I was driving multiple company trucks I always had a pile of roofing nails in my tool box. They plug those air lines quite nicely. LOL.

Saw your truck featured in Todays Trucking awhile back. very nice!