Bullheaded

2009 is the last year for Cummins in an International. Int. dropped them when they had their falling out over SCR. Cummins initially said no SCR but when they changed their position Int. dropped them and went to bed with Cat. They didn't have any provisions for SCR in any of their truck designs or engineering so Cummins kinda dropped a bomb on them. So now Int. will have no 15 litre engine for much of 2010....The MaxxForce 13 475 horse will be the biggest for the moment. Freightliner/Western Star picked up Cummins as their optional engine now also after Cat packed it in. I sure hope Mack survives and they keep the factories going over here. They're one of the few that aren't being built in Mexico yet. Just read even International is thinking of closing Chatham and going to Mexico.

Thanks Dave. That is a nice truck, and yes, you'd never know by looking at it. Very nice pictures in your gallery. I like your Superliner also. The Superliner was my all time favourite truck, but looking at some of these other Macks, it would be hard to pick which one to have.

Yes the Tackaberry museum would be something to see but apparently it is not open to the public. At least that's what one of his drivers told me before at a truck show? Kinda sounded like you had to know somebody to get in? It's in the Ottawa area.

Many years ago I thought I saw an add in one of the truck papers for a B model that was for sale. looked pretty rough, but the add said it had a 500 E-9 but I wasn't sure if it was wrong or if it could be done. I think it could be done for a play toy but I don't know if you can get enough rad in a B to keep it cool working? I just thought it would be a cool combination for a play toy/show truck.

Ya, but at least they have nice brochures. International still has the same Paystar brochure from 2 years before I bought my 2005! Outdated engine specs and all Mackcl96: I was looking at the photo gallery last night (well at least a little with my dial-up ) and saw your trucks. Those are sweet. Which one has the headers... the blue one? There's a guy that races a black R Model in Quebec that has an E-9 with headers. That was the first time I ever saw that. didn't even sound like a diesel...more like a stock car. Not sure what he turns for rpm but it sounded unreal. But ya, nice trucks. I always liked the CL. Sorry to get off subject.

Yeah, nothin' like running an old TS 14 with that 4-71 and it's exhaust stack about 3' from your right ear!!!!! That's when men were men! Now, even myself........"what, no air conditioning, cupholders or sattelite radio......I'm not running that!"

Forgive me if it's already in here somewhere. But has anyone ever put an E-9 in a B Model? If there's any pics, can someone post a link to it. I can't look at half the stuff on this site that i want to because of this crappy dial-up internet. Takes almost an hour just to log on. I can't even get a reliable sattelite provider in this area But ya, I always thought it would be cool to do a B with the big V8. Can it be done?

I like the old Euclid TC-12's. Two dozers tied together that pivot with two screaming detroit's and cable blade lift. I know....they weren't real great, in some respects, but what looked cooler than those? And nothing sounds like them. I like all the old Euclids and Terex's for that matter.

I didn't hear about the old Champion grader plant. At least it's not going to Mexico.....yet.

Hello everyone. I have to take my daughter to the sick kids hospital in Toronto, Ontario (don't worry all is well so far, just a check up). We're going around August first. Does anyone know if there are any antique truck, tractor or auto museums around the toronto area? Along with all the regular stuff like niagara falls and zoo's etc. we want to see something like that. I would appreciate any suggestions. I wanted to try to get a tour at the international plant in Chatham (I know they used to do it?) but there's talks of it closing and the union is fighting, so might not be a good time to enquire. Thanks everyone.

granitefan713, I don't know exactly how many have been sold but there are few Titan's pulling float and dump trailers up here in Northern Ontario. Those spokes look cool. A severe service truck, in my mind, looks best with spokes. Has anyone seen a Titan with a different front bumper yet? I know they list a construction bumper with a centre tow hook but I haven't seen one yet. I'm still waiting for Mik Mak to put a moose bumper on one like 90% of the trucks up here.

I was so happy to see that. I hope they don't do any more"restructuring" and keep Mack seperated from the Volvo production, and keep them in Pa. where they belong. It was a bummer when I was a kid to see them pull out of Canada also, and now I've also heard talk of International pulling out of Canada and moving most of it's production to Mexico, just like Freightshaker/Western Star. I hope Mack stays in the U.S. and doesn't go the Mexico route like everyone else. I don't want to have to loose my respect for Mack too.

Well, just got the official word by email from Mack (Volvo). The new GU Granite is not available in glider form. It is set up only for VMAC IV and he said no one has tried anything other than that and that it is strongly discouraged by him. They do however have 4 Granite CV gliders in stock, but they are only compatible for VMAC III. He also said there is no conversion to go from VMAC II to VMAC III. Guess I'll have to keep doing my research to see if I should fear the DPF as much as I do. Like we've already seen, my dump truck application does not produce enough exhaust heat to automatically regen, so you hear about others having to do parked regens two to three times a day and that's what worries me. It's hard enough to get paid as it is now, imagine when the contractors see you sitting on the side of the road and not hauling. I've read the tests of the Granites with SCR and they say they rarely need to regen, but I'll have to wait and see how much frame space is going to be needed. It would be nice if they did away with the lift axles and we all went back to tandems.

I'm about 30 miles north of Sault Ste. Marie Bad Dog. I've been up to Mattawa a couple times, to Corriveau's to get Bibeau dump boxes.

I hear you Bad Dog.That's why I closed up shop, too bullheaded and too much self pride to work for that. But i'm already missing my truck, so I might have to swallow my pride some day. There's two cool new Titan's on truckpaper.com. They look like tri-drives, not a lift axle. They have the balloon tires on the steers, look awesome. They have the Granite style fender flares on the front. Do you think the stainless ones are too narrow for wide base steer tires? I like the stainless. Mack says they offer a front bumper with a tow hook. Anyone see one yet? I looked all over the net to see if anyone had pics of a moose bumper yet, but couldn't find any.

Yes, have you seen their (MAN's) D28 V8? 680 horsepower at 1900 rpm and 3000 Nm of torque! (can't remember how to convert, but that's a lot of torque!) I wish I could get one of their TGX cabovers here in North America. Really nice truck. Even has a hydraulic front drive. Interesting to note (makes you wonder why International needs Cat) that the Int. Maxxforce 13 tops out at 475 h.p. yet the MAN version D26 has ratings of 480 and 540 h.p. And they all meet Euro 5 emmissions. Would have been nice to have a 540 Maxxforce in my Paystar (the V8 would be nicer!) After looking at the TGX brochure, funny to see all the other little details International picked up from them. Like that new stratoflex mattress in the new Lonestar. Same bed spring system MAN has been using. International is also using the same seats now also (I know I'll spell this wrong) Isringhauser's. Interesting fact Thaddeus W...I didn't know Rudolf Diesel was at MAN when he invented the Diesel.

There were a few Detroit powered Superliners around here when I was a kid. Real nice big bunk, heavy spec log tractors. Detroits were real popular in this area. It was funny hearing a Superliner with that screaming 2 stroke under the hood. The ones around here are all gone now. I knew where there was one in a scrap yard (wasn't much left of it) but recently I went by and all the scrap is gone. They must have crushed everything.

I just tried to upload a tiny pic of the new Maxxforce/Cat, but it won't let me. says the file is too big. Anyway just got it in an email update from today's trucking, so maybe it's on their web site. Looks exactly like a C15 twin turbo painted grey and black with a little bit different valve cover and some new "pollusion" stuff on it.

This is what scares me about a new dpf truck for my dump application. It's hard enough to get your money from the contractors you haul for, imagine trying to get paid when they see you sitting on the side of the road for 30 minutes.

I had those pics, but didn't even think to post them My friend is the salesman at All North. Last time I was down he showed me pics of the Titan parked beside a new CL on their lot. I asked him to email me a copy but he must have got busy and forgot. If I ever get them I'll post. Bad Dog; funny you say it's slow in Windsor right now. My new issue of Today's Trucking, the last page editorial, says how it is just booming there I know I can't afford a new Titan when all the brainwaves over here are working their tri-axle dumps for $50.00 per hour

Sweet looking Autocar Jocko

The dealer in Sudbury Ontario has had two out on demo for a couple months now. One is identical to the one Mack has been displaying with all the goodies, the other (also a heavy float tractor) is more plain, no headache rack, just a tandem with a wet line. Both 605 MP10's. Had good reports except from one company driver that was demo'ing it. They are locked out at 105 kph and the guy was saying it was gutless compared to his CL/Cummins. Salesman doesn't expect them to sell well around here right now, as they are priced at a premium. A basic tractor is $160,000.00 Canadian, so like he said, by the time you put a lift or a dump box, etc. on it.....wow! Last time I spoke with him he was saying they were supposed to have a meeting with Mack Reps to see if anything could be improved on the pricing. Anyone see one parked next to a CL. Wow, they make a CL model look small!

Thanks for the info. Let me know if you find out more. I'd like to know if you can get the new style Granite and with what years of E7 engine. Hopefully pre-ASET. You mention being set up for V-Mac III, any idea how the dash display would work? Would it support the Co-Pilot or just basic odometer functions? My friends Western Star glider worked out well, only one glitch. He ordered it for the B series mechanical Cat, even gave the engine serial number, but when the chassis arrived it had all electronic gages. He had to convert all the gages over to mechanical ones, which was no problem for him, just extra work. He said he wish he would have know they would do that as he had an early 2000 vintage C15 electronic he could have used. Even it would have been superior to the new ACERT's.

Yup, just read it in Todays Trucking (Lockwoods Product Watch). It says they won't say weather or not it will use Acert technology or something else. Hopefully it will perform better than the current Acerts. Also says International will likely drop Cummins after 2010. You kinda had to know something was going to happen. Seemed funny to be coming out with a Cat truck with no Cat engine involvment. Just like with the auto industry, you can't be brand loyal anymore, because you don't know who owns who or is partnered with who anymore. My head hurts.