Mark there are alot of old road tractors converted to Dump Buckets running around Memphis . hell most are geared to run like a greyhound bus & wont pull its own ass out of the soft ground due to the gearing & suspenion on the truck . i cant keep count of how many converted dump trucks i see around here w/ single frames, air ride suspension & reyco suspension just to mention a few . been told before that they would make to the job before i would . job would be soft ground & they would have that converted road tractor stuck & our Bulldogs or Acar would have to pull them out . told him ya may out run me on the 240 loop in Memphis but id be there or 1 of our other trucks would be there to pull him out lol . they hated when not only myself but others that worked for my pop was right ...lol Hell i know of a Freightliner dump running in Memphis & North Ms that has air ride suspension & Super Singles & Alcoa's all the way round including 425 floats on the steer. i wouldnt want to drive that shaker if a tire blew or an air bag blew esp w/ 25 tons of material on the back or 16' of loaded bed in the air & that happens . all i ever see him hauling is hot rock for 1 of big paving companys in Memphis . Give me an ole W.M.C. Pre V#LV* Autocar w/ a Hummin Cummins, double frame 18 to 2o k f/a & 44k to 46k r/a 20k air tag cheater axle , & Hendrickson Walking beams or Hendrickson Rubber Block suspension or Pre V%LV*IZED w/ similar specs but all drive train preferably an ole redi mix truck on either account . Hard to get a true dump truck round here anymore unless ya find 1 from the factory speced that way or find an ole Redi Mix truck w/ the drum removed . it's a Shame !! As far as driving school goes like most everybody else here id imagine learned through the school of hard knocks like i did . in my case i grew up on the farm & in the excavating business & i learned @ an early age . i was sleeping in the bench seat of old dog when i was 2 yrs old while they were either moving equipment from 1 job to the next or taking soybeans or wheat to the elvator down in Memphis . (& yall remember no A/C In the summer time )