Rob Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Since my RL797L was a transfer all it's working life and I've never seen one before I did a little researching. If I can get the YouTube video to work there are a few available to watch. The operation of these sure seems cumbersome to me and would be better served with a single end dump trailer. I get the gist of "only in California". What do you guys think, or if you've ever operated one of these setups, what are the pros and cons?Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/10153-transfer-dumps/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Rider Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Since my RL797L was a transfer all it's working life and I've never seen one before I did a little researching. If I can get the YouTube video to work there are a few available to watch. The operation of these sure seems cumbersome to me and would be better served with a single end dump trailer. I get the gist of "only in California". What do you guys think, or if you've ever operated one of these setups, what are the pros and cons?Rob I could never figure out the reason or logic myslf. Looks too much like a pain in the southern parts of my anatomy,find a place to park the trailer that is acessable by your truck but not in the way while you're dumping,no thanks. An end dump or walking floor would be more efficient. They worry about bridge weights. Quote #1 on A-model registryIf I drink because of work, why can't I drink at work? Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/10153-transfer-dumps/#findComment-38455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
usmcjimbo Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 I was out in California 6 weeks ago on business and saw a lot of these set ups. Sure looked like a lot more trouble than they were worth - thought a regular T/T dump set up would be a whole lot more practical Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/10153-transfer-dumps/#findComment-38456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK Trucking Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 I think it looks like a pain in the ass!I'll stick to doing it the way it's done in the midwest and east.. Quote "If You Can't Shift It Smoothly, You Shouldn't Be Driving It" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/10153-transfer-dumps/#findComment-38457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bollweevil Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 After watching this video, I can now say that I know more than I ever wanted to know about transfer dumps. As far as stock piling aggregates, or sand, it is hard for me to see an apparent advantage over a dump plus a pup. or a long end dump. Dump trucking has always been about moving material, cost effectively. The added cost of such a rig plus the added maintenance, is just not called for in N. Ga. With an abundance of blue Granite, we have quarry's everywhere, and an asphalt plant nearby. Yes they do things differently when you have reached the fruited plains. Sometimes quite differently. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/10153-transfer-dumps/#findComment-38458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brenner Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 The main advantage of using a transfer is maneuverability when dumping on jobsites and tight areas since you only have to back in a single truck instead of a truck+trailer. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/10153-transfer-dumps/#findComment-38461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
other dog Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 The main advantage of using a transfer is maneuverability when dumping on jobsites and tight areas since you only have to back in a single truck instead of a truck+trailer.Some places out west they'll pull 2 trailers. I can see the advantage, if you had a fairly long ways to haul and a good place "on site" to drop the trailer, but on a short haul, or if you had to drop the trailer a long ways away then drive through traffic to get to a jobsite, then that's a horse of a different hue. Quote Producer of poorly photo-chopped pictures since 1999. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/10153-transfer-dumps/#findComment-38462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
theakerstwo Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 And there is also the plus of hauling two different materials at the same time. The driver that i talked to said it was all about get in were a trailer cant so i would sayt their rates should be some more higher than ours. Quote glenn akers Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/10153-transfer-dumps/#findComment-38463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
other dog Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 And there is also the plus of hauling two different materials at the same time. The driver that i talked to said it was all about get in were a trailer cant so i would sayt their rates should be some more higher than ours.I hadn't even thought about that, good point- you could have the pinto beans and ham on one and the cornbread on the other one. Quote Producer of poorly photo-chopped pictures since 1999. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/10153-transfer-dumps/#findComment-38464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted July 27, 2009 Author Share Posted July 27, 2009 I hadn't even thought about that, good point- you could have the pinto beans and ham on one and the cornbread on the other one.I could be wrong and prolly am but really don't think there is a lot of money in hauling that type of commodity. Besides that; It may be difficult to find drivers that want to drive into such a gaseous atmosphere for work. Of course on the flip side that may just elevate the rates??Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/10153-transfer-dumps/#findComment-38465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted July 27, 2009 Author Share Posted July 27, 2009 And there is also the plus of hauling two different materials at the same time. The driver that i talked to said it was all about get in were a trailer cant so i would sayt their rates should be some more higher than ours.Couldn't that be accomplished with a dump trailer that had a second end gate mounted amidship? I don't know for sure but it seems about the same capacity could be loaded into a double compartment dump trailer as two separate dump boxes on separate vehicles.I can see the manuverability issue in some cases but it has never been needed in this area that I know of. It just really seems like a lot of extra time and expense for equipment that needs to pay for itself. The video showed the transfers working on a hard, flat surface and there appeared to be plenty of room for a dump trailer to operate so maybe this is a bad example to judge by. Around here there is an outfit that pulls pup dump trailers constantly but they do not transfer the box at all. They turn the trailer 90 degrees to the truck, dump the trailer, then either pull out and align to dump the truck in the same spot, or dump the truck right there. They then drive off and with the trailer at 90 degrees it hardly runs over the pile at all. A loader then pushes the pile together. This is very quick in operation. I've watched this operation of dumping into a hopper for a conveyor and an experienced operator in the saddle takes no more time than a pair of single dump trucks to discharge.Watching that video just showed an amount of lost productivity that I would be unwilling to pay for unless mandated compared to other methods. If this were the case, I would base rates appropriately. Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/10153-transfer-dumps/#findComment-38466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
other dog Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 I could be wrong and prolly am but really don't think there is a lot of money in hauling that type of commodity. Besides that; It may be difficult to find drivers that want to drive into such a gaseous atmosphere for work. Of course on the flip side that may just elevate the rates??RobTrue, pinto beans and cornbread wouldn't be a money maker but they'd be a big hit at the company picnic. Quote Producer of poorly photo-chopped pictures since 1999. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/10153-transfer-dumps/#findComment-38467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK Trucking Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Rob Said:If this were the case, I would base rates appropriately.Trouble is, in the wonderful world of trucking if you set your rate at a level where you can actually make a profit, there's always several others vying for the same work that will undercut you.So, you can either:1) Hold out for your rate and hope you get some work anyway.2) Match your competitor's rates, only to watch them undercut you even further (this usually leads to a real downward spiral in rates as everyone starts cutting each other's throat).3) Say the hell with it and sell all your stuff before you go bankrupt.. Quote "If You Can't Shift It Smoothly, You Shouldn't Be Driving It" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/10153-transfer-dumps/#findComment-38468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted July 27, 2009 Author Share Posted July 27, 2009 Rob Said:Trouble is, in the wonderful world of trucking if you set your rate at a level where you can actually make a profit, there's always several others vying for the same work that will undercut you.So, you can either:1) Hold out for your rate and hope you get some work anyway.2) Match your competitor's rates, only to watch them undercut you even further (this usually leads to a real downward spiral in rates as everyone starts cutting each other's throat).3) Say the hell with it and sell all your stuff before you go bankrupt..Yup. That is exactly what I did in the towing business at the shop; Exited the market segment. There are STILL outfits around here that will tow a car for $35.00. I wouldn't run a $60,000 truck and lose money by working it. Of course all my eggs are not in one basket neither. I sold the unit, (Mack CS-300 w/22' steel rollback) and have never looked back, (from business perspective). Out of sheer convienience, I may build another on an R model chassis for private usage. It sure was handy to have around.Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/10153-transfer-dumps/#findComment-38469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark from OZ Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 Rob Said:Trouble is, in the wonderful world of trucking if you set your rate at a level where you can actually make a profit, there's always several others vying for the same work that will undercut you.So, you can either:1) Hold out for your rate and hope you get some work anyway.2) Match your competitor's rates, only to watch them undercut you even further (this usually leads to a real downward spiral in rates as everyone starts cutting each other's throat).3) Say the hell with it and sell all your stuff before you go bankrupt..Welcome to the road transport industry........ Fun isn't it........ Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/10153-transfer-dumps/#findComment-38470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark from OZ Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S24TDTtyzs4Don't know if this has been posted before............. The easy way Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/10153-transfer-dumps/#findComment-38471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO DOGS Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 This is quicker and easier the way done down under!lyndonhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S24TDTtyzs4 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/10153-transfer-dumps/#findComment-38472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted July 27, 2009 Author Share Posted July 27, 2009 That is almost exactly the way I've seen it done although never by turning a trailer 180 degrees. Sure is a lot faster than the transfer dump method.Was that a publicity shot/video, or was it a real operation? The danger of banging up very nice equipment is a reality when operating in such close proximity to fixed obstacles and all the equipment looked new, or really close to new.Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/10153-transfer-dumps/#findComment-38476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark from OZ Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 That is almost exactly the way I've seen it done although never by turning a trailer 180 degrees. Sure is a lot faster than the transfer dump method.Was that a publicity shot/video, or was it a real operation? The danger of banging up very nice equipment is a reality when operating in such close proximity to fixed obstacles and all the equipment looked new, or really close to new.RobRob That is the way they do it all the time, every day. all day. Takes a bit of practice....... Mark Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/10153-transfer-dumps/#findComment-38484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK Trucking Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S24TDTtyzs4Don't know if this has been posted before............. The easy wayThat driver is f'in good!!!!!!!!!. Quote "If You Can't Shift It Smoothly, You Shouldn't Be Driving It" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/10153-transfer-dumps/#findComment-38488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted July 27, 2009 Author Share Posted July 27, 2009 That driver is f'in good!!!!!!!!!.Yes they are. If that is not a demo tape of sorts the driver has a lot of pride in his machinery and it shows. I would think someone that competent with their equipment would command a respectable premium for their service also. Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/10153-transfer-dumps/#findComment-38494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted October 21, 2009 Author Share Posted October 21, 2009 Seen this photo of my RL in 1980 in it's prime being worked.RL797LST in 1980.bmp Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/10153-transfer-dumps/#findComment-42211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
other dog Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 nice load of coal there! Quote Producer of poorly photo-chopped pictures since 1999. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/10153-transfer-dumps/#findComment-42222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted October 22, 2009 Author Share Posted October 22, 2009 nice load of coal there!The truck had just left the septic sludge pit for the town I live in. Stunk to "High Heaven". People still talk about it.Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/10153-transfer-dumps/#findComment-42245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
other dog Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 The truck had just left the septic sludge pit for the town I live in. Stunk to "High Heaven". People still talk about it.Roboh,sorry-helluva load of doo-doo then. Quote Producer of poorly photo-chopped pictures since 1999. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/10153-transfer-dumps/#findComment-42250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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