other dog Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Some like the time off from work.RobI don't, i'm going broke fast! However, the N14 is a great engine. More than I can say about a C-15 Cat ACCERT, another p.o.s. Quote Producer of poorly photo-chopped pictures since 1999. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/11911-2004-vision/page/3/#findComment-46132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bts-4120 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 I don't, i'm going broke fast! However, the N14 is a great engine. More than I can say about a C-15 Cat ACCERT, another p.o.s.good motor with an absolute p.o.s. ECM I did not get to enjoy all that up time that the cumapart guys brag about Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/11911-2004-vision/page/3/#findComment-46134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double L Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 The best engine was the 3406B hands down. CAT started going downhill with the 3406E and when they introduced the C-15 and decided to go with the ACERT technology they shot themselves in the foot big time. I know with CAT being gone Paccar has their own engine, they had that in development for the past few years and put that in class 7 trucks. International has their Maxxforce which is nothing more than a C-15 block but has International stamped on it. If CAT would have went to the EGR like everyone else it may not have been so bad for them. What shocks me is Freightliner is offering Cummins again in their trucks. I know back in 02 they dropped Cummins and CAT and only offered Detroit and Mercedes until around 06-07 and then they went back to strictly Detroits. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/11911-2004-vision/page/3/#findComment-46137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 If it were me in an aging and troublesome truck, there would be no hesitation in my decision to repower mechanical and interface new gauges and such to work.Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/11911-2004-vision/page/3/#findComment-46138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgallamore Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 i dont want to work on my truck, this frame of mind keeps me from being even a marginal mechanic, so it would probably be cheeper for me to buy a new truck than to repower with a older engine Quote http://www.bigmacktrucks.com/uploads/1272400769/gallery_4852_794_314995.jpg Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/11911-2004-vision/page/3/#findComment-46143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryB Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 There's a difference between "cheap" and "inexpensive". True so true. I was thinking cost effective but the man did say cheap. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/11911-2004-vision/page/3/#findComment-46148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petetheo Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 I am just tired of spending a ton of money on this truck.All I had for 20 years was cummins.From the 220 to the 430 N 14.No turbo replacements,and only 2 cheap injectors.I bet I spend $15000.00 on the mack and counting.The radiator was garbage,the turbo,charge air cooler,the oil line behind the ecm,trans.Now the injectors.I just three years.I had it with the darn thing. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/11911-2004-vision/page/3/#findComment-46151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryB Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 I am just tired of spending a ton of money on this truck.All I had for 20 years was cummins.From the 220 to the 430 N 14.No turbo replacements,and only 2 cheap injectors.I bet I spend $15000.00 on the mack and counting.The radiator was garbage,the turbo,charge air cooler,the oil line behind the ecm,trans.Now the injectors.I just three years.I had it with the darn thing.Thanks for mentioning that. I'd forgot about the oil line behind the ECM, the radiator blowing apart, and a $1400 radiator for the EGR. I think we can all say we wouldn't have another 460 Mack Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/11911-2004-vision/page/3/#findComment-46156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambi80 Posted December 31, 2009 Author Share Posted December 31, 2009 Now you know your gonna get picked on.I'm gonna stick to my guns on that one...though, I'd prefer Kenworth over a Pete. The Peterbilt comment was for that one guy who drives one and gets picked on for it. Quote Ever wonder how a blind person knows when to stop wiping? Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/11911-2004-vision/page/3/#findComment-46166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double L Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 I'd prefer Kenworth over a Pete. Amen brother! I too prefer a Kenworth over a Pete any day especially for the room and quality. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/11911-2004-vision/page/3/#findComment-46167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 Is there someone that is singled out and picked on besides me here? I thought I read every post but I guess I've missed some.Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/11911-2004-vision/page/3/#findComment-46177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
other dog Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 Is there someone that is singled out and picked on besides me here? I thought I read every post but I guess I've missed some.Rob Quote Producer of poorly photo-chopped pictures since 1999. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/11911-2004-vision/page/3/#findComment-46185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
other dog Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 good motor with an absolute p.o.s. ECM I did not get to enjoy all that up time that the cumapart guys brag aboutExcept for a radiator that's where all my Peterbilt problems have been- the C-15 engine. When I take it up here to Cat in Lynchburg it looks like F.L.M. has opened a terminal there because there's usually several more trucks there too. Every time I leave i'm wondering when the engine light's gonna come on. I drove many trucks with the N14 and didn't worry about a thing. Then the ISX comes along, and it's back and forth to Cummins because of EGR issues. Had to go all the way to Roanoke to Cummins, maybe that's partly why they went to Cat power. As we've heard here, Mack has their problems too.But, as i've said before, I don't blame the engine manufacturers. When they get something pretty much perfected, like the N14, they have to change it to meet new emissions standards and it's a never ending battle. Quote Producer of poorly photo-chopped pictures since 1999. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/11911-2004-vision/page/3/#findComment-46188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bts-4120 Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 Except for a radiator that's where all my Peterbilt problems have been- the C-15 engine. When I take it up here to Cat in Lynchburg it looks like F.L.M. has opened a terminal there because there's usually several more trucks there too. Every time I leave i'm wondering when the engine light's gonna come on. I drove many trucks with the N14 and didn't worry about a thing. Then the ISX comes along, and it's back and forth to Cummins because of EGR issues. Had to go all the way to Roanoke to Cummins, maybe that's partly why they went to Cat power. As we've heard here, Mack has their problems too.But, as i've said before, I don't blame the engine manufacturers. When they get something pretty much perfected, like the N14, they have to change it to meet new emissions standards and it's a never ending battle.I had alot of ECM issues with my N-14 when the check engine light came on it was game over engine dead no limp mode internally motor is fine injectors cheap not by along shot $500 a hole last I heard, never ever ever have another one the 01 427 is leaps and bounds better than the 460 n-14 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/11911-2004-vision/page/3/#findComment-46203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double L Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 I'm with Other Dog on that one you can't blame the engine manufacture's blame the EPA. Cummins has always had EGR problems from the start. Not sure if they have got it fixed yet. I don't recall Detroit having too many problems if any at all. Maybe F.L.M got a bad batch of CATs cause the ones we had where I was working at never had any problems really. I guess with CAT it was really a luck of the draw deal for customers, either you got lucky or you got stuck with a bunch of gremlins. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/11911-2004-vision/page/3/#findComment-46205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
supershepy Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Mack dealer nearby has a 2004 Vision for sale...460hp, dual pipes, wet kit, 13sp...spec'd out to what I need and want. I've seen various posts/topics on the post '03 trucks, but most have been bad (maybe I should take the hint?). I was just wondering the good, the bad and the ugly about the 2004's.Do have Eger colant problems and are exspensive as hell for trubo(up to $5000 to replace),but nice riding and good for getting in to tight spots(shorter wheel base) Quote Southern Girls Rule! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/11911-2004-vision/page/3/#findComment-46898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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