Greg in ND Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 I farm in ND where it is nearly flat, no hills. I'm looking at trucks for my 41' grain hopper. Which would I like better: Both '04 Vision. One has 460 hp, 10 speed (FRLO16410C?), 3.70 ratio. The other 410 hp, 13 spd Fuller, 3.55 ratio? I will be leaving grain fields loaded at 80,000 gross and sometimes more. I may take an occasional load of alfalfa to central Mn, but 95% would be wheat & soybeans, hauled to the local elevator 20 miles away. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/16957-ac-460-or-ac-410/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambi80 Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 Go with the 13sp, you will be happier. Some will tell you on here that the extra heat generated by the additional 50hp of the 460 is what causes a lot of the problems in 04-07 year(s). Quote Ever wonder how a blind person knows when to stop wiping? Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/16957-ac-460-or-ac-410/#findComment-68933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg in ND Posted December 21, 2010 Author Share Posted December 21, 2010 Go with the 13sp, you will be happier. Some will tell you on here that the extra heat generated by the additional 50hp of the 460 is what causes a lot of the problems in 04-07 year(s).Could it be so simple as turning the hp down to 410? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/16957-ac-460-or-ac-410/#findComment-68939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackpro Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Could it be so simple as turning the hp down to 410?Different turbo and injectors in the two engines. You might be able to turn the 460 down to a 427 with nothing more than a download. Most all ASET AC engines are exactly the same, just different turbo, injectors and download change the HP level. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/16957-ac-460-or-ac-410/#findComment-68967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bollweevil Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 I farm in ND where it is nearly flat, no hills. I'm looking at trucks for my 41' grain hopper. Which would I like better: Both '04 Vision. One has 460 hp, 10 speed (FRLO16410C?), 3.70 ratio. The other 410 hp, 13 spd Fuller, 3.55 ratio? I will be leaving grain fields loaded at 80,000 gross and sometimes more. I may take an occasional load of alfalfa to central Mn, but 95% would be wheat & soybeans, hauled to the local elevator 20 miles away. If you will be pulling from out of the field, off road performance should be the deciding factor. Both transmissions are 1.0 in 9th gear. Overdrive in the 10 is about .74, the 13 is .87. Gear reduction in the low side would probably be better with the 10 speed. Go to the Road Ranger home page, and pull up the gear charts for both. The site has a really good road speed calculator, located under tools you can use. Enter the specs from both trucks at about 1600rpm. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/16957-ac-460-or-ac-410/#findComment-68993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg in ND Posted December 22, 2010 Author Share Posted December 22, 2010 If you will be pulling from out of the field, off road performance should be the deciding factor. Both transmissions are 1.0 in 9th gear. Overdrive in the 10 is about .74, the 13 is .87. Gear reduction in the low side would probably be better with the 10 speed. Go to the Road Ranger home page, and pull up the gear charts for both. The site has a really good road speed calculator, located under tools you can use. Enter the specs from both trucks at about 1600rpm.Thanks for the input, guys! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/16957-ac-460-or-ac-410/#findComment-68994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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