97mack1 Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 I have a 94 model cat 3406c peek motor which has been converted to full manual , anyways I have a couple of questions first one is I did an inframe on it less than 2000 miles and my oil pressure once its at 180 degrees is about 25 psi low enough for the buzzer to go off. would replacing thwe oil pump bring my oil pressure back up. when the motor is cold its at about65 psi at around 1200rpm. second queI have an oil leak behins the front structure plate by the top of the block deck. what all is involved in fixing this leak? any help is greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullhusk Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 WHAT WAS THE OIL PRESSURE BEFORE THE INFRAME? DID YOU HAVE THE CRANK MICED FOR WEAR? IF YOU DID AN INFRAME YOU SHOULD PUT A CAT REMAN OIL PUMP IN. WHAT SIDE OF THE MOTOR IS THE OIL LEAK? IS IT ON THE GEAR HOUSING SIDE? BULLHUSK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterj Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 If this just happened at the time it was rebuilt, something was not put back right. Check the oil pressure at the front and back of the block. Are they the same? Different?Does it have Jakes? A cracked or inproper installation of the jakes can cause low pressure.Did some one change oilpumps? The E and C oil pumps are the same but the E motor releaf spring and hold down are different. The E runs a lower pressure, but not that low. A good E will run 50-55 at 1800, a C should run 65. Quote peterjhttp://forums.aths.org/Instantforum2010/topic72786.aspx57 mack h67 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97mack1 Posted February 16, 2011 Author Share Posted February 16, 2011 Thanks for the responses. I am not sure if the crank was checked dropped it off with the so called mechanic. The oil pressure has always been low, before the inframe once it was to operating temp it would drop to about 35psi but the temp would not go over 160 I replaced the thermostat when it gets to 180 that's when it drops down.The front structure is leaking on the drivers side up top runs down behind the pump down the side of the block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullhusk Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 97 Mack1' I would check the Jakes an the oil pressure (front an back of block as peterj suggested).But it sounds to me like there is tollerence issues either in your oil pump or your crank. Did the guy know you had oil pressure issues before he did the overhaul? If so why didn't he put a new oil pump in when he did the motor? How did the bearing inserts look when he pulled them, were they showing copper? I'm not trying to be a Monday Morning Quaterback I'm just trying to help. Now with that being said if we do a motor job either in shop or sending it out, if there is an oil pressure prob. we check all of these things including micing the crank for oil clearance. I would call the guy who did the motor job for you an run some of these questions that peterj & myself asked. As far as the oil leak? I would clean up the block where you see the oil an try to pin point where the leak is Good Luck Ernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bollweevil Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 If you are losing oil at the jake brake housing, it would be easy to find. Pull the valve covers and watch while an assistant starts the engine. Why an assistant? They could also shut it off before it makes too big of a mess. Any oil loss at the jake housing is unacceptable. I once had to do a roadside repair for a friend, whose jake had come apart under pressure and blew a hole as big as a golf ball in the top of the valve cover. A 3406 has rocker arm stands like an FE Ford. The jake oils through a ported alignment stud which is press fitted into the top of the stand. It is sealed by an o ring. Take the cover off and look, and you wont have to guess. I just noticed your address. West Texas Peterbilt is the place to go , in your area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97mack1 Posted February 25, 2011 Author Share Posted February 25, 2011 Thanks for the info guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 45LMSWM Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 If you are losing oil at the jake brake housing, it would be easy to find. Pull the valve covers and watch while an assistant starts the engine. Why an assistant? They could also shut it off before it makes too big of a mess.And don't let the Jake come on with the valve covers off!!! BIG MESS!!!-John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97mack1 Posted February 28, 2011 Author Share Posted February 28, 2011 At this momentthe jakes aint hooked up, when the truck was converted to manual we did not hook them up. It was set up as a 2 stage is there a problem hooking it up as 1 stage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theakerstwo Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Also if not already done you should check for fuel in the oil. Take a samlpe and send in for the check. Quote glenn akers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97mack1 Posted March 1, 2011 Author Share Posted March 1, 2011 Also if not already done you should check for fuel in the oil. Take a samlpe and send in for the check.I did take a sample of oil to get checked out there was no oil in fuel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drg Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Hi I had a 3406B in a 1989 freightliner oil samples came back high in copper. Cat dealer could'nt figure it out and about the same time I noticed my oil pressure down about 5 lbs. Finally after much disscusion with cat they agreed to do a bearing roll in. When they had the pan off they found the bushings shot in the oil pump. So rebuilt oil pump and my problem was solved. Not sure if this will be your problem but I 'd check the pump out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97mack1 Posted March 14, 2011 Author Share Posted March 14, 2011 Well I have an update. Pulled the pan and replaced the the oil pump. Noticed that the old pump had some wear on the shaft bushings, I was sure this was my problem,put the new pump put fresh oil and filter turned her on and ran it for a while till the temp got to about 180. It has good pressure when truck is cold but once it gets to operating temp it drops to about 25#'s. any other suggestions? I am going to get the front stucture redone as it is leaking oil would it be wise to replace cam bearings in it? this has me stumped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Well I have an update. Pulled the pan and replaced the the oil pump. Noticed that the old pump had some wear on the shaft bushings, I was sure this was my problem,put the new pump put fresh oil and filter turned her on and ran it for a while till the temp got to about 180. It has good pressure when truck is cold but once it gets to operating temp it drops to about 25#'s. any other suggestions? I am going to get the front stucture redone as it is leaking oil would it be wise to replace cam bearings in it? this has me stumped. When the pan was down would have been a good opportunity to roll new bearing shells in. Did you mic the bearings for clearance at all? A lot of aged engines lose oil pressure internally due to bearing clearance which is a factor of wear from operation.Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorin Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Have a 3406B, after about 120k on an inframe had #6 piston failed. Oil pressure hot at 1600 rpm was 55. Took it to a shop, put 6 cylinder kits in , got it back oil pressure was down to 52 at 1600. #1 piston failed. Took it back they flushed the oil galley new cooling tubes and oil pump. Oil dropped to 45 at 1600. Ran 7 days #4 piston has failed. Anyone have any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John3406 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 54 minutes ago, Lorin said: Have a 3406B, after about 120k on an inframe had #6 piston failed. Oil pressure hot at 1600 rpm was 55. Took it to a shop, put 6 cylinder kits in , got it back oil pressure was down to 52 at 1600. #1 piston failed. Took it back they flushed the oil galley new cooling tubes and oil pump. Oil dropped to 45 at 1600. Ran 7 days #4 piston has failed. Anyone have any ideas? When you say failed does that mean scored? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theakerstwo Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 If the piston scored then look at the piston cooler also 1 Quote glenn akers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Good call Glenn.... The Mack eng. kit doesn't come with cooling tubes... The P.A.I. kit I used this summer, had them and the ball seal's.. Un-real... anyway, if you don't have a "Target Tool" for the cooling tubes,,, just replace them... (after the pistons are installed and torqued down, trust me....) Jojo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Well,,,, My Dumbass, just saw this was for a Cat. 3406.... So Never mind the Mack reference, However, the cooling tube part, stands,, sorry, jojo.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truck Shop Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 If it has a lot of hours on it and the front structure gear train hasn't been checked it needs to be checked. The bull gear and related gear bushings can drop the oil pressure when hot at idle considerably. To check the aim on 3406 piston coolers Cat does that on a fuel injection test bench. Saw one in late 90's that the bull gear bushing gave out and bull gear sawed a half moon cut through the front cover before disaster struck a short time later. Quote One ping only Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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