fxfymn Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Love it. Nice work. So far I have filled a five gallon bucket with all of the old wire I've pulled from mine. I soldered all of the connections when I re-wired it, but I tend to be a little bit anal. Quote Money, sex, and fire; everybody thinks everyone else is getting more than they are! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/22630-jasons-59-b61-resto-thread/page/2/#findComment-98150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdstl Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 We sell a few different ATO fuse panels at the shop so thats why I was going to use one rather than reuse the original one in the truck. I figured the wiring is going to be new front to back why not go all the way. I agree, overkill is consistantly more fun! I ran all 8 gauge wire for the starter, charge wiring, and supply to the fuse panel. The highest draw on the system other than the starter solenoid will be the headlights... I think I'll be covered. The wiring was so dry rotted and patched repairing it wasn't an option... First thing I did was diconnect everything and run two new wires down to the starter just so I could start it and be able to move it around. I was afraid there would be a fire the wiring was that bad! I had an assortment of colors so I used them, just to make it easier to trace the wires out as I hook them up.Jason Quote -Jason-1959 Mack B61T single axle short wheel base, concave cab. 673 diesel, duplex trans. Running but under contruction! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/22630-jasons-59-b61-resto-thread/page/2/#findComment-98152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Love it. Nice work. So far I have filled a five gallon bucket with all of the old wire I've pulled from mine. I soldered all of the connections when I re-wired it, but I tend to be a little bit anal.Do you mean you "tinned" the wiring before crimping, or used terminations soldered to the wiring? I don't use the insulated solderless terminals myself. I solder the termination to the wire, then shrink wrap the connection. It is mandated that way.Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/22630-jasons-59-b61-resto-thread/page/2/#findComment-98153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdstl Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 Ya I'm hoping for some good info from the museum... Sounds like I wont be disapointed!Granted I'm tring to do it right and make it nice, but soldering all the terminals and connections??? Haha not quite that nice! I can't wait to get it road worthy and take it around town a little. Just the reaction I got from my neighbors was suprising.... Everyone loves this truck (other than my wife, but all the more reason to keep it!!)Jason Quote -Jason-1959 Mack B61T single axle short wheel base, concave cab. 673 diesel, duplex trans. Running but under contruction! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/22630-jasons-59-b61-resto-thread/page/2/#findComment-98155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 We sell a few different ATO fuse panels at the shop so thats why I was going to use one rather than reuse the original one in the truck. I figured the wiring is going to be new front to back why not go all the way. I agree, overkill is consistantly more fun! I ran all 8 gauge wire for the starter, charge wiring, and supply to the fuse panel. The highest draw on the system other than the starter solenoid will be the headlights... I think I'll be covered. The wiring was so dry rotted and patched repairing it wasn't an option... First thing I did was diconnect everything and run two new wires down to the starter just so I could start it and be able to move it around. I was afraid there would be a fire the wiring was that bad! I had an assortment of colors so I used them, just to make it easier to trace the wires out as I hook them up.JasonThe six gauge feeder will cover anything you will run in the truck for certain. I'm going to run dual feeders as I want the implement bed to be completely separate with work lights etc. from the truck. I tend to prefer manual reset circuit breaker protection and will probably go that way. I have a shrink tube printer but have not used it yet for this stuff. Using this will allow me to name the circuit such as H/L, Horn, etc. Wanted one for a long time so finally got one for Christmas although was told it was not for Macks!Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/22630-jasons-59-b61-resto-thread/page/2/#findComment-98157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxfymn Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Do you mean you "tinned" the wiring before crimping, or used terminations soldered to the wiring? I don't use the insulated solderless terminals myself. I solder the termination to the wire, then shrink wrap the connection. It is mandated that way.Yep; I do it the same way. I solder the wire directly to the terminal and than wrap it in a shrink tube. Goes back to my aircraft training I guess. Quote Money, sex, and fire; everybody thinks everyone else is getting more than they are! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/22630-jasons-59-b61-resto-thread/page/2/#findComment-98158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxfymn Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Damn; Just saw your last post. Where did you get the printer? I want one. Quote Money, sex, and fire; everybody thinks everyone else is getting more than they are! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/22630-jasons-59-b61-resto-thread/page/2/#findComment-98159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Yep; I do it the same way. I solder the wire directly to the terminal and than wrap it in a shrink tube. Goes back to my aircraft training I guess. That is the best way. Time consuming but the inherent connection integrity is unsurpassed and when "milliohms" or resistance matter through the connection, it is the only way. Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/22630-jasons-59-b61-resto-thread/page/2/#findComment-98160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdstl Posted January 15, 2012 Author Share Posted January 15, 2012 (edited) Didn't have any 6 guage stuff available, but I think the 8 gauge should do the job, my truck doesn't have any electrical accesories and none are planned. Nothing says I can't add in a smaller sub panel down the road if I want to hook something up that higher draw. Really just trying to keep the wiring simple, the stock diagram I found seemed so overcomplicated for what it was running, especially considering there are no wires running to the engine for senders, ignition, etc...A shrink wrap printer does sound pretty sweet, where did it come from?Jason Edited January 15, 2012 by jdstl Quote -Jason-1959 Mack B61T single axle short wheel base, concave cab. 673 diesel, duplex trans. Running but under contruction! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/22630-jasons-59-b61-resto-thread/page/2/#findComment-98161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Damn; Just saw your last post. Where did you get the printer? I want one.I'll ask "Momma" when she wakes from her needed "Beauty Sleep". She actually purchased it but be warned, I know it was over 2 large to get.Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/22630-jasons-59-b61-resto-thread/page/2/#findComment-98162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
other dog Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I use my "back yard -shade tree mechanic training" to fix stuff, and my "hillbilly radar" to find my destination. Worked pretty good so far. Quote Producer of poorly photo-chopped pictures since 1999. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/22630-jasons-59-b61-resto-thread/page/2/#findComment-98165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Didn't have any 6 guage stuff available, but I think the 8 gauge should do the job, my truck doesn't have any electrical accesories and none are planned. Nothing says I can't add in a smaller sub panel down the road if I want to hook something up that higher draw. Really just trying to keep the wiring simple, the stock diagram I found seemed so overcomplicated for what it was running, especially considering there are no wires running to the engine for senders, ignition, etc...A shrink wrap printer does sound pretty sweet, where did it come from?JasonMy apologies for the mistype. My limited mental capacity dimenishes as I think more than one thought process....... I was thinking of the harness I'll prolly go with alongside yours.Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/22630-jasons-59-b61-resto-thread/page/2/#findComment-98166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxfymn Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 She actually purchased it but be warned, I know it was over 2 large to getOh well! I can't justify that for a couple of re-wires. It might be a good thing for someone to set up at a show and print shrink to order for those of us that are re-doing a rig. Quote Money, sex, and fire; everybody thinks everyone else is getting more than they are! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/22630-jasons-59-b61-resto-thread/page/2/#findComment-98167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I use my "back yard -shade tree mechanic training" to fix stuff, and my "hillbilly radar" to find my destination. Worked pretty good so far.Yes, but it's a whole different set of operating parameters when you are doing this stuff for others.Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/22630-jasons-59-b61-resto-thread/page/2/#findComment-98168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Oh well! I can't justify that for a couple of re-wires. It might be a good thing for someone to set up at a show and print shrink to order for those of us that are re-doing a rig. I've toyed with doing something like that for people but most will go with a "Painless Wiring", (as example) for their rewire projects and they print their wiring in several places along the length. This unit I have is not hand held but plugs into a computer and uses 150 ft. rolls of shrink tube. It also cuts it to the length after printing you program it to. Burndy, Ideal, Klein, and a few others make smaller and less expensive types but the cost per piece is considerably more to use. Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/22630-jasons-59-b61-resto-thread/page/2/#findComment-98170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxfymn Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I used "cloth" covered wire for the 52 to keep it original, so I couldn't get pre-marked stuff. I did buy different colors/threads to try to match the original Mack color scheme. But, having the circuits ID'd at each termination would be nice. Quote Money, sex, and fire; everybody thinks everyone else is getting more than they are! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/22630-jasons-59-b61-resto-thread/page/2/#findComment-98172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I used "cloth" covered wire for the 52 to keep it original, so I couldn't get pre-marked stuff. I did buy different colors/threads to try to match the original Mack color scheme. But, having the circuits ID'd at each termination would be nice.Especially when you have to get back into it for modifications/additions later on.Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/22630-jasons-59-b61-resto-thread/page/2/#findComment-98177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxfymn Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 One of the neat things Mack did on their fire trucks was to put junction blocks at about every six feet down the frame. That way it's pretty easy to trace a wire and/or add something to a circuit. Quote Money, sex, and fire; everybody thinks everyone else is getting more than they are! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/22630-jasons-59-b61-resto-thread/page/2/#findComment-98179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jocko Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 really nice truck, you do really nice work I cant wait to see it done Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/22630-jasons-59-b61-resto-thread/page/2/#findComment-98194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdstl Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 Thanks for all the positive feedback guys..Got the rear light panel done today, I'm happy with how it came out. Weather is supposed to be pretty nice here tomorrow before it turns cold again, so I'm going to try and get the gauge panel installed and the looms partially run through the cab, along with cutting out the rest of the old wiring.Jason Quote -Jason-1959 Mack B61T single axle short wheel base, concave cab. 673 diesel, duplex trans. Running but under contruction! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/22630-jasons-59-b61-resto-thread/page/2/#findComment-98391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
umodelnut Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Cool!! When you get your stuff from the museum make sure you tell us. I would love to hear the history of your truck. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/22630-jasons-59-b61-resto-thread/page/2/#findComment-98397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdstl Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 Well so far no info from the museum yet, but I expect it any day... I'll post up a run down of the trucks history for anyone insterested. Monday it was a crazy warm 67 degrees here in STL, so I got some stuff done. I installed the gauge panel, ran the looms comming off it, got the starter hooked up so I can start it with the key/button now (previously two wires hanging from the steering coloum..) Also cut out all the old petrified wiring. I also scored a set of nice 22.5" dayton wheels with nice steer tires that came off a school bus through craigslist, for only $100 for the pair, I mounted them up as well.I'm debating just throwing away the original front 20" tube type wheels/tires. I know I'll never put them back on, is there any demand for them or should i just pitch them?Jason Quote -Jason-1959 Mack B61T single axle short wheel base, concave cab. 673 diesel, duplex trans. Running but under contruction! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/22630-jasons-59-b61-resto-thread/page/2/#findComment-98617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 There is not a lot of demand for them but there may be someone looking for some. Being tube type the bead condition was not as conducive to leaking as later model tubeless types. If you have room I'd hang onto them just in case another collector on here needs a pair.Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/22630-jasons-59-b61-resto-thread/page/2/#findComment-98618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fauthpk Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Wrap a chain around those rims and let the air out of them. I was told that is the safest way to store them. That ring can be deadly. If I am wrong, please let me know. Nice job on the truck. Mack museum sent us all the info on our truck. Who bought it from the factory, plus the entire service manual. Which is a hg help. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/22630-jasons-59-b61-resto-thread/page/2/#findComment-98622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Wrap a chain around those rims and let the air out of them. I was told that is the safest way to store them. That ring can be deadly. If I am wrong, please let me know. Nice job on the truck. Mack museum sent us all the info on our truck. Who bought it from the factory, plus the entire service manual. Which is a hg help.Shouldn't need to do anything with them to store. If they were in use, the lock rings are seated properly so they pose no hazzard. It is only when those lock rings are damaged, corroded, or misaligned during install do they pose a risk.Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/22630-jasons-59-b61-resto-thread/page/2/#findComment-98629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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