Jamied625 Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 I have a 3406b that has a fresh rebuilt that is in a ford ltl 9000 the truck is totaled so i have a b63 would this motor fit in the truck i know that motor has a charge air cooler on it that would have to be re configured. has anyone ever tried this or know anyone who has. what does everyone think would it fit, I think it would be a awesome truck seeing as I have the motor laying around. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/23818-3406-cat-b-model/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyGunner Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Sounds like a cool project, I am pretty sure you have to put a stronger tranny and mayber differentials? I will let Rob or someone else much smarter than me get into the specifics. Quote The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by the people who vote for a living.The government can only "give" someone what they first take from another. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/23818-3406-cat-b-model/#findComment-107017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
slpwlker Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Sounds interesting. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/23818-3406-cat-b-model/#findComment-107018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Don't know about smarter but I don't think it will fit and allow you to retain stock configuation and look. That engine is quite a bit longer than a Mack engine. If you set the cab further back and use a B70 series front I'm certain you could get by but in the stock configuation, I just don't see it fitting in there. The stock radiator will have trouble keeping it cool at working temperature also.Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/23818-3406-cat-b-model/#findComment-107023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamied625 Posted March 13, 2012 Author Share Posted March 13, 2012 well the trans in the ford is a 13 speed that was redone the same time as motor and i figured i would put that in there too? would the rears hold up to the added power Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/23818-3406-cat-b-model/#findComment-107029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamied625 Posted March 13, 2012 Author Share Posted March 13, 2012 Don't know about smarter but I don't think it will fit and allow you to retain stock configuation and look. That engine is quite a bit longer than a Mack engine. If you set the cab further back and use a B70 series front I'm certain you could get by but in the stock configuation, I just don't see it fitting in there. The stock radiator will have trouble keeping it cool at working temperature also.RobI think that the radiator could cool it with a couple extra rows of tubes and how much longer is it than a mack motor? could i notch the fire wall to gain what i need to in length?Jamie Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/23818-3406-cat-b-model/#findComment-107030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
41chevy Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 This was at the ATHS show in Winchester Va last year, factory Cat with longer hood and filler panels between rad and fenders. Same extended nose parts as the B model Fire chassis with the Hall Scott power plants I was told. Some body on here had extra sheet metal for the nose too. Quote "OPERTUNITY IS MISSED BY MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS DRESSED IN OVERALLS AND LOOKS LIKE WORK" Thomas Edison “Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘Holy shit, what a ride!’” P.T.CHESHIRE Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/23818-3406-cat-b-model/#findComment-107031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamied625 Posted March 13, 2012 Author Share Posted March 13, 2012 so all those filler panels do is stick the radiator out a little more and then you need alonger hood. you wouldnt have a picture of the engine compartment would you? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/23818-3406-cat-b-model/#findComment-107035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lmackattack Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 "Storkmack" has a B?? with a 427 Mack under the hood. it was very tight Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/23818-3406-cat-b-model/#findComment-107037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamied625 Posted March 13, 2012 Author Share Posted March 13, 2012 o ya it would be a tight fit i definetly know that!!! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/23818-3406-cat-b-model/#findComment-107041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 This was at the ATHS show in Winchester Va last year, factory Cat with longer hood and filler panels between rad and fenders. Same extended nose parts as the B model Fire chassis with the Hall Scott power plants I was told. Some body on here had extra sheet metal for the nose too. That B71 truck has an NH220 Cummins and that engine is physically smaller than a 3406. I have photos of the underhood I'll find. Thought I had better than these.Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/23818-3406-cat-b-model/#findComment-107043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
41chevy Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 The longer hood and filler panels are factory Mack parts. I'm pretty sure have a pic I just have to find where it is, but I'm sure it was a 3406 Cat, he has Cat powered badges all over it. Course my kids say I'm wrong so it's possible I am.......... Quote "OPERTUNITY IS MISSED BY MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS DRESSED IN OVERALLS AND LOOKS LIKE WORK" Thomas Edison “Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘Holy shit, what a ride!’” P.T.CHESHIRE Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/23818-3406-cat-b-model/#findComment-107045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 The longer hood and filler panels are factory Mack parts. I'm pretty sure have a pic I just have to find where it is, but I'm sure it was a 3406 Cat, he has Cat powered badges all over it. Course my kids say I'm wrong so it's possible I am..........Under the front bumper are Cummins Iron Crosses.Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/23818-3406-cat-b-model/#findComment-107046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
41chevy Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Sorry, but I do not acknowledge the existence Cummins , Peterbilts or Kenworths in this dimension..... even though theres one of THEM in it :whistling: Quote "OPERTUNITY IS MISSED BY MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS DRESSED IN OVERALLS AND LOOKS LIKE WORK" Thomas Edison “Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘Holy shit, what a ride!’” P.T.CHESHIRE Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/23818-3406-cat-b-model/#findComment-107057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOB DINGSDALE Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 This is a B-71 with factory 220 Cummins.The B-21 fire truck hade the 400 Hall-Scott with same front end .Check lenths at a Cummins dealer of the 743 cid and 855 engines also check widths to see if would all fit down in frame.It should do because of flare in rails in engine compartment .Bob D Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/23818-3406-cat-b-model/#findComment-107058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
41chevy Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Either way, I would think the longer nose would mean less intrusion into the drivers area.Yes? Paul Quote "OPERTUNITY IS MISSED BY MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS DRESSED IN OVERALLS AND LOOKS LIKE WORK" Thomas Edison “Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘Holy shit, what a ride!’” P.T.CHESHIRE Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/23818-3406-cat-b-model/#findComment-107059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
220cummins Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Under the front bumper are Cummins Iron Crosses.Roband the compression relief valve and chain on the cummins is visible in one of the shots Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/23818-3406-cat-b-model/#findComment-107061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamied625 Posted March 13, 2012 Author Share Posted March 13, 2012 the 220 cummins has a length of about 57" where the cat is about 65" how tight is that 220 cummins in there? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/23818-3406-cat-b-model/#findComment-107066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 the 220 cummins has a length of about 57" where the cat is about 65" how tight is that 220 cummins in there? Very cramped from my dissapating yet evenly dispersed memory cells. Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/23818-3406-cat-b-model/#findComment-107071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyGunner Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 and the compression relief valve and chain on the cummins is visible in one of the shotsWhat is that chain for? Quote The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by the people who vote for a living.The government can only "give" someone what they first take from another. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/23818-3406-cat-b-model/#findComment-107075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamied625 Posted March 13, 2012 Author Share Posted March 13, 2012 well then even with the extended nose i would be back to notching the fire wall Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/23818-3406-cat-b-model/#findComment-107077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdog Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 The B21 firetrucks have a longer hood than the B71,they also use the fender filler panels like a B73/75. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/23818-3406-cat-b-model/#findComment-107087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamied625 Posted March 13, 2012 Author Share Posted March 13, 2012 so to get that 3406 in there i would need to extend the nose and fenders Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/23818-3406-cat-b-model/#findComment-107094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olivetroad Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 You can do like they did in those old Ford trucks with the early 3406 cats - lay them over on their side a few degrees like a slant six Chrysler - I bet you still won't have the room.(everyone keep saying it can't be done - till he gets pissed off and decides he is going to prove us wrong and just make it fit - where there is a pissed off will, there is a way!) 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/23818-3406-cat-b-model/#findComment-107105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamied625 Posted March 13, 2012 Author Share Posted March 13, 2012 You can do like they did in those old Ford trucks with the early 3406 cats - lay them over on their side a few degrees like a slant six Chrysler - I bet you still won't have the room.(everyone keep saying it can't be done - till he gets pissed off and decides he is going to prove us wrong and just make it fit - where there is a pissed off will, there is a way!)o i know there is a way i was just hoping that someone else had tried it and had pictures!! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/23818-3406-cat-b-model/#findComment-107115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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