Rob Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Currently all my trucks are tagged with antique plates as they are cheap and let me run around Illinois without limitations for my purpose. I'm thinking of licensing my 80 R model with regular plates to 45,000lb rating so I can use the truck. If I baseplate in Illinois, and stay in Illinois, no problem and won't even need a log book.Let's for sake of conversation say I want to go to New Mexico from Illinois to pick up a restoration candidate that is owned by me. On this retrieval mission, what do I need to do to be legal, and who do you get trip permits from? In my car hauling days I baseplated in Illinois, and purchased apportionments for Indiana, and Missouri but never ran out of those three states. This was contract hauling from point "A" to point "B" dedicated and nothing else.I no longer have dot numbers so I'm starting from scratch.Thanks,Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucerne tractor Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 JJ Keller does fuel permits for other states along with any other permit you need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted May 23, 2012 Author Share Posted May 23, 2012 JJ Keller does fuel permits for other states along with any other permit you need.Is that like "Transceiver" used to be?Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucerne tractor Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 I don't know about Transciever, but most any log book,pod,bill of laden or any other paper work you pick up in a truck stop is JJ Keller, they have a huge permit and oversize permit office too. Been around since 1952 I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stev Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 So, from a permitting point of view, does it matter if you are doing this for yourself as opposed to doing it for someone else? If you are picking up a truck you bought, do you still need permits and log books? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHfred Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 My guess would be that it all depends on whether this is commercial or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted May 23, 2012 Author Share Posted May 23, 2012 By the rules most anything over 10,001 pounds is consider commercial. What I am wanting to do is private carrier rated as it supports another business that is not transportation for hire.J.J. Keller has quite the website and is helpful. I've emailed some questions and my stated purposes so should get a response shortly.Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freightrain Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 ......more like if you can convince Barney Fife on the side of the road that you AREN'T commercial. Looks like a duck, talks like a duck............they say it's a duck no matter what you think or show them otherwise. Quote Larry 1959 B61 Liv'n Large...................... Charter member of the "MACK PACK" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumperAndSon Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 I don't know, but whatever you find out is going to be very useful for me, Uncle Rob.Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHfred Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 By the rules most anything over 10,001 pounds is consider commercial. What I am wanting to do is private carrier rated as it supports another business that is not transportation for hire.J.J. Keller has quite the website and is helpful. I've emailed some questions and my stated purposes so should get a response shortly.RobHere in VA weight has no bearing on your commercial/non-commercial classification. It is strictly if you are using the vehicle for commercial use or not. I can plate my MH for non-commercail use and haul 60K if i wish (never will) without being commercial and do NOT need a CDL. Being commercial or not is a large and costly factor.Fred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted May 23, 2012 Author Share Posted May 23, 2012 I don't know, but whatever you find out is going to be very useful for me, Uncle Rob.BenI need to have at least one heavy truck I can work with so I'm seriously looking to do this. I know some laws very from state to state so I'll prolly only get generic information but will post what I find out.Uncle Rob Quote Plodding along with no job nor practical application for my existence, but still trying to fix what's broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomastractorsvc Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 What I remember is truck needs to be marked not for hire and buy fuel sticker if crossing state lines and you need daily inspection sheet Quote Robert"I reject your reality and substitute my own." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
220cummins Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Could you have a repair/work order written up for the vechicle recovery? I used a buddy of mine's PA towing/repair plate to get my Cruiseliner back from the state of Indiana. He gave me the plate with a work order saying it's pickup and destination being his shop for repair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olivetroad Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Just add the word "FARM" to the side of the truck door with old house paint, hang baling wire on several stake pockets, wear Key Imperial striped overalls that are 4 inches too short, tuck any long hair up into a straw hat with holes in it, roll around in manure before you start out, chew on a piece of timothy hay, and practice a sort of "hang dog" blank expression on your face. If the flat hat DOT boys ask you what kind of farm you have, just be honest and tell them it is ROB'S FUNNY FARM, start jumping up and down and belt out your version of Johnny Cash singing: "I'm hauling livestock........" Then you won't need no stinkin' permits to get to where they take you.Oh, and don't wear some sissy sandals or crocs on your feet, you have to have LEATHER BOOTS or go barefoot. Just because Jesus worn open toed shoes does not mean you need to do the same. Those DOT boys know a fake farmer when they see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Blaylock Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Rob even though I have been out of the loop for a while in the past you could get your Il. Base plate and fuel sticker and then get a temp. IRP and IFTA permit from each state you are going to run in you can register as either for hire or private carrier the best place to get these phone numbers is in the Rand McNally motor carriers version road atlas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 For a few dollars more you can bump the weight up to 54,000 and not get into Federal HUT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freightrain Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Temp IFTA can get expensive if you can't get back through in the alloted time(2-3 days) for each state. I found that out when I went to NY for the '03 ATHS national convention. I gave up my truck plate and went Historical since I was gone 4 days and permits only lasted 3 days. I wasn't paying double to be legal both ways. Quote Larry 1959 B61 Liv'n Large...................... Charter member of the "MACK PACK" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHfred Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 I don't know, but whatever you find out is going to be very useful for me, Uncle Rob.BenBen, since you live in PA and Rob lives In IL what he finds out may or may not be correct for you. You should go to your state vehicle website and find out what is appropriate for you.Fred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slpwlker Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 If I am not mistaken temp permits are like 15.00 a pop. could just base it out of Il then what I've been told by Dot is anything over 200 AIR MILES needs to be logged. and or crossing state lines. or hazmat. JJ keller is good. Also any company that does oversize over weight permits can also do Single trip and temp ifta. Some states also want routes to be traveled to put on the single trip permit for whatever reason even thought your not O.D. I use to use West Coast Permits for all my stuff. Also think you need to put not for hire on the truck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other dog Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Just add the word "FARM" to the side of the truck door with old house paint, hang baling wire on several stake pockets, wear Key Imperial striped overalls that are 4 inches too short, tuck any long hair up into a straw hat with holes in it, roll around in manure before you start out, chew on a piece of timothy hay, and practice a sort of "hang dog" blank expression on your face.If the flat hat DOT boys ask you what kind of farm you have, just be honest and tell them it is ROB'S FUNNY FARM, start jumping up and down and belt out your version of Johnny Cash singing: "I'm hauling livestock........"Then you won't need no stinkin' permits to get to where they take you.Oh, and don't wear some sissy sandals or crocs on your feet, you have to have LEATHER BOOTS or go barefoot. Just because Jesus worn open toed shoes does not mean you need to do the same. Those DOT boys know a fake farmer when they see it.yep, they're pretty sharp about that kind of thing- almost like they have ESPN. Quote Producer of poorly photo-chopped pictures since 1999. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bollweevil Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 If and when you make such a trek, you are already good for ILL. OK, and TX should not pose a problem. On the other hand MO could, and NM probably will. I promise there will be more of a problem with NM. You will have to clear a port of entry in NM, and you can pay any fees there, You would be better advised to call each state DMV to see what each requires. Permits can be faxed to just about any truck stop through a permit service. But a permit service can not tell you what kind of surprise can be in store. Knowing how nasty they could be, when I brought my RS back from Oregon, I elected not to fool with NM , and saved almost $200. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slpwlker Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 or bring a inverter and printer have everything emailed to you or have a fax program and print them out. Truckstops get real expensive. We print all permits and scan in loads from the truck. Downfall you need a signal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ditchkus Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Rob you can buy a permanen IFTA permit good fromJan.1 to Dec.31 it is only $5.00. You are required to fill out quarterly fuel reports even if you ran 0 miles in quarter. Another requirement for IFTA is you have to have apportioned plates and run in at least one other state for the byear or they will cancel your IFTA Permit. This happened to me in Penna. they did give me my IFTA back after they checked my records. I think rules for IFTA are the same for any jurisdiction as that was the reason for it. Joe D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fauthpk Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 How do you trucking guys make any money with all these rules. It will drive you crazy. Best bet, I would think is put a "not for hire" sticker on the truck. The IFTA stuff I know nothing about. Does it apply if you are not fore hire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucerne tractor Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 How do you trucking guys make any money with all these rules. It will drive you crazy. Best bet, I would think is put a "not for hire" sticker on the truck. The IFTA stuff I know nothing about. Does it apply if you are not fore hire.You havent even made a dent in the rules here, try oversized, every state has different rules on width,height,length,rear over hang,lights,flags,night,sunset,half hour after sunset,axle weights, axle spacing, One amber strobe in rear,two in rear,one on each corner of load,flags on load,flags on truck and load,oversize load banner, wide load banner, each bridge has weight restrictions, some you pay to cross, some they close and escort just you, some no problem,DC and Maryland you have to call ahead on most bridges. One I crossed the other day was $100.00 if you were there for 10 am or 2 pm, if not you could cross at 6 pm for $600.00, can't leave the permitted route even for fuel unless you permit the exit and entrance back on,and the list goes on, it's endless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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