California emissions question

[hellbilly]

Im curious to know what c.a.r.b.'s regulation of antique truck emissions is. since updating a antique truck to meet current emissions laws it takes away from the historical value of the truck can they force you to retro-fit current emissions standards on older trucks used for truck shows,pulls, etc.? And second question is it even possible to update an older truck to meet the emissions laws?

thanks - Bill

Edited August 14, 2012 by hellbilly

[Joe Ditchkus]

Not sure but I do not think you could update an antique to meet Calif. CARB rules. Joe D.

[hellbilly]

Thats what I was thinking but haven't heard it brought up at all as to what will be legal. I'm not all that worried about it I dont go out there anymore just my curiosity getting at me. - Bill

[41chevy]

The California rules are strange to say the least. I sold a 1941 Chevrolet Woodie a few years ago to a collector there. I had to send all the DMV paper work so it could be registered and have a 30 day emissions exemption to get into the state. When the shipper arrived he had to take all the Cali papers and the car to the CHIP garage to get an emissions waiver and non operable restoration title for it. Here is the latest CHIP and Cal Data for you.

From the C.A.R.B site.

Diesel powered trucks that are currently registered as Historic Vehicles (HV) in the state of California, the HV registration makes your truck exempt from the CARB rules and you have no worries. Trucks registered as historic vehicles, motor homes and pickups are also exempt from the CARB rules, as are all current diesel Emergency vehicles, including in-service fire apparatus, are exempt from the new rules as well. However, once these vehicles are sold, they are subject to the rules as if they are registered commercial. The seller is not required to make the upgrades, but only required to make the buyer aware of the need to comply. The C.A.R.B. rules state is once the antique heavy vehicle is sold, it no longer meets the exemption criteria, it must be made compliant. effective on January 1, 2011. The Truck and Bus rule requires owners of antique and collector diesel and Otto cycle vehicles to upgrade their vehicles by installing C.A.R.B approved diesel exhaust particle filters.

[convoyduel]

So if you sell your CA registered antique to another CA collector who would want to license it as antique, it would have to be updated?

[maxidyne237]

That is insane. These regulations are out of hand.

[41chevy]

So if you sell your CA registered antique to another CA collector who would want to license it as antique, it would have to be updated?

YES! The new owner has to add a particle filter and adjust to pass a Snap Test as per CARB regs. Heavy historic vehicle by California defination is GVW of 6000 and up.

California emissions cover EVERYTHING! from Weed Wackers,Go Peds to Container Ships. Next time you go to a Home Depot, Tractor Supply or Lowes look at the gas powered equipment. Most are CARB Certified. I have a Nitro powered 1/10 scale RC truck, it is CARB certified and the engine adjustments WERE sealed to keep the Cali settings. Paul

[Lmackattack]

When will people of California burn their state to the ground and start over? It's time.....

[hellbilly]

The California rules are strange to say the least. I sold a 1941 Chevrolet Woodie a few years ago to a collector there. I had to send all the DMV paper work so it could be registered and have a 30 day emissions exemption to get into the state. When the shipper arrived he had to take all the Cali papers and the car to the CHIP garage to get an emissions waiver and non operable restoration title for it. Here is the latest CHIP and Cal Data for you.

From the C.A.R.B site.

Diesel powered trucks that are currently registered as Historic Vehicles (HV) in the state of California, the HV registration makes your truck exempt from the CARB rules and you have no worries. Trucks registered as historic vehicles, motor homes and pickups are also exempt from the CARB rules, as are all current diesel Emergency vehicles, including in-service fire apparatus, are exempt from the new rules as well. However, once these vehicles are sold, they are subject to the rules as if they are registered commercial. The seller is not required to make the upgrades, but only required to make the buyer aware of the need to comply. The C.A.R.B. rules state is once the antique heavy vehicle is sold, it no longer meets the exemption criteria, it must be made compliant. effective on January 1, 2011. The Truck and Bus rule requires owners of antique and collector diesel and Otto cycle vehicles to upgrade their vehicles by installing C.A.R.B approved diesel exhaust particle filters.

Well thank you! That is definitely the info I was looking for. It is also the dumbest thing they can do. If the vehicle is not licensed to haul commercially why should it matter? I looked on C.A.R.B.'s website and noticed the exemption to short haul carriers. It seems that California finds its easier to make money off the long haul driver then it is their own residents. I seen on there that you can also buy a permit to run a certain amount of miles into the state and back out. I wonder if that exemption would work for a antique truck, since it wouldn't have near as many miles put on it as a commercial truck. I think it was 50,000 miles per year to qualify for a local haul exemption. If you have to put all the emissions crap on your classic truck how do they not see that taking away from the historical value of the truck? That state has gone overboard with regulations. Once again that you for that info. - Bill

[41chevy]

Every thing I learned about CARB was from trying to sell an antique car to a Cali Resident. As for the permit, they are time limited also. The formula is mileage to and back plus 100 floating miles plus the computed time to do all above with a 5 day grace period, date and times stamped by chip on issue of the permit.Also over 30 days you have to A) leave for 48 hours and reapply or tag you vehicle in CA as per their regs. They ALWAYS cover all the bases! Paul

[hellbilly]

for once drivers need to agree on something for the benefit of everyone. do not pick up or deliver in california. which i dont think would be to hard. the big companies will still haul in california since they can afford the new epa b.s. on their trucks, but the o.o. who fights to make his truck payment each month wont be able able to afford to go there. it would take care of 2 problems. the big companies will all run out to california to haul their freight. they will underbid each other on loads and eventually not be able to afford to keep their doors open. 2nd it would keep all the training companies in one area to wreck into each other which will help the overall highway safety across the country. just an idea - bill