cncFireman Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Getting ready to crank up the old Lanova in my A51T. Hooked the fuel lines back up to the tank, changed fuel filter, checked oil and just been taking a few gallons of cleaner and a vaccum to the entire truck. I already hooked up some air and tested the air system and bled the condensate from the tanks. Now I just mainly need to put a few gallons of diesel in and hook up a couple of batteries. Ill cross my finger and hope that it starts. Now I assume the starter switch is the button near the door on the dash marked ST? There is alot of re-wiring to be done. Paint and body as well. One last question is the oil filter for the 510c.i. lanova the dual flow unit? From what I see Wix, Baldwin, Fram and a few other still makes these. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/28860-almost-ready-to-fire-off-the-lanova/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
57 bcr Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Can't wait! I had an A51T also, but sold it to a guy who stuffed it in a barn,in Iowa (not Superdog)! Never did have its END510 running.That filter housing almost looks like an early (correct) Luberfiner with that bolt on top cover like that.I don't know what year MACK came out with Full-Flow/Bypass like I have on the BCR. Could that be an early version of the MACK filter? Does it have any lettering on the top of the cover at all? The early Luberfiners do. Always liked the A's! Quote IF YOU BOUGHT IT, A TRUCK BROUGHT IT..AND WHEN YOU'RE DONE WITH IT, A TRUCK WILL HAUL IT AWAY!!! Big John Trimble,WRVA Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/28860-almost-ready-to-fire-off-the-lanova/#findComment-151678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladislav Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 If it's Lanova you need to press first a button HT (heaters) to warm up plugs. Than next ST - starter.I have Lanova 519 ci but it's ED,not END. Looks different than on the pictures. Quote Никогда не бывает слишком много грузовиков! leversole 11.2012 Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/28860-almost-ready-to-fire-off-the-lanova/#findComment-151719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cncFireman Posted December 17, 2012 Author Share Posted December 17, 2012 (edited) I polished some of the rust off the top it does say Luber finer Los Angelas made in U.S.A. It took a 10 micron 3107 fuel filter and the orange filter canister seen in the pics was bypass as I think that was the original filter housing? Also what is the secondary oil filter for below the fuel filter in the picture shown. How exactly does this heater setup work. There is an ether injector below the air bath with the spark plug setup on the intake elbow? Edited December 17, 2012 by boostedretard Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/28860-almost-ready-to-fire-off-the-lanova/#findComment-151727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cncFireman Posted December 17, 2012 Author Share Posted December 17, 2012 Few more shots of the rig Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/28860-almost-ready-to-fire-off-the-lanova/#findComment-151728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
theakerstwo Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 The nova engine did not have a fulflow oil filter. It was a bypass partian flow. Quote glenn akers Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/28860-almost-ready-to-fire-off-the-lanova/#findComment-151730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
speweik Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I polished some of the rust off the top it does say Luber finer Los Angelas made in U.S.A. It took a 10 micron 3107 fuel filter and the orange filter canister seen in the pics was bypass as I think that was the original filter housing? Also what is the secondary oil filter for below the fuel filter in the picture shown. How exactly does this heater setup work. There is an ether injector below the air bath with the spark plug setup on the intake elbow?My LFT has a "burner" setup on the intake elbow, but it uses diesel and a coil, not ether. I don't have the pump for it, though... Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/28860-almost-ready-to-fire-off-the-lanova/#findComment-151778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cncFireman Posted December 18, 2012 Author Share Posted December 18, 2012 (edited) Now that I looked it over that is likely how this truck is setup as well. Except the line is capped off after the injection solenoid on the firewall and the hole plugged on the elbow. I'm not worried as like I said I will just feed it some hot air. All I have left to do is throw a pair of batteries in it and fill the tank with a few gallons and check the elecrical for any shorted circuits since some things are unplugged just hanging around. Edited December 18, 2012 by boostedretard Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/28860-almost-ready-to-fire-off-the-lanova/#findComment-151780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 dont know if you did this,,,but i like to remove injectors and shoot abuncha motor oil into cylenders with oil can let it soak into rings before turning engine over,,,if its been sitting a while,,,you must be getting excited,,,i would be good luck...it loooks good so far...bob Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/28860-almost-ready-to-fire-off-the-lanova/#findComment-151830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cncFireman Posted December 18, 2012 Author Share Posted December 18, 2012 Well since it was said to have ran in the last couple years. I felt like just bumping it and seeing what it does. The motor is free as can be and cranks over fast. I just need to prime the system now. I would have kept working on getting it turned over but off to work now and will likely keep going tomorrow. Heres a short clip... Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/28860-almost-ready-to-fire-off-the-lanova/#findComment-151878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkobes43 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Cant wait to see it run! Nice looking truck. Tom Quote "Nothing Breaks Wind Like A Bulldog" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/28860-almost-ready-to-fire-off-the-lanova/#findComment-151880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Dash Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Nice truck, hope you can get it running soon.Anyone know the difference between a Monoshift and the Unishift? I've only seen the Monoshift behind older gas engines and was thinking age or torque capacity had something to do with it. Quote Jim Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/28860-almost-ready-to-fire-off-the-lanova/#findComment-151882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
speweik Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Now that I looked it over that is likely how this truck is setup as well. Except the line is capped off after the injection solenoid on the firewall and the hole plugged on the elbow. I'm not worried as like I said I will just feed it some hot air. All I have left to do is throw a pair of batteries in it and fill the tank with a few gallons and check the elecrical for any shorted circuits since some things are unplugged just hanging around.The Lanova is a hard starting SOB. If it is below 55, I like to use my heat gun in the intake elbow to help the cause. That makes it start real easy! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/28860-almost-ready-to-fire-off-the-lanova/#findComment-152017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTFormula Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Glad to see you are getting it running instead of taking the cab off for that 1 ton project. It will be much cooler to have this as a complete original truck. Plus it's just a shame to take apart a rare rig like this. Post more pics and video when she's running! Quote ~ JT Burkard ~ AKA Sweaty Mackwww.jtresto.com www.wickedreputation.netwww.jonathanthomasmotorcars.com Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/28860-almost-ready-to-fire-off-the-lanova/#findComment-152028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladislav Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 My Lanova has heating units those fitted betveen cylinder heads and intake mainfold. There are electric spirales inside them with fat electric supply cables. You need to warm them up with a dash button before cranking. I heared these engines do not like cold start but can't say anything about my one because it's stuck now. Hasn't turned over probably since 1983. Heater plugs are typical for most pre-chamber engines as Mack Lanova is. Intake air is warming up for a fuel blow up when a piston going to it's upper point. Pre-chamber with main chamber (cylinder) have more cooling surface in relation to a single chamber. That's why these engines require more heat to start and usually use pre-heaters.Putting some bits of oil into cylinders is not a bad idea to prevent linings and pistons from dry scratching. Quote Никогда не бывает слишком много грузовиков! leversole 11.2012 Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/28860-almost-ready-to-fire-off-the-lanova/#findComment-152054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
41chevy Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Do all the Lanova's have both Glow plugs and an intake pre heater or just the Military applications? Paul Quote "OPERTUNITY IS MISSED BY MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS DRESSED IN OVERALLS AND LOOKS LIKE WORK" Thomas Edison “Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘Holy shit, what a ride!’” P.T.CHESHIRE Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/28860-almost-ready-to-fire-off-the-lanova/#findComment-152059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladislav Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 NR has neither pre heater, plugs only. Of course I haven't inspected all 16548 units were made but books told me.On my mind they're not really plugs. They aren't inside combastion chambers, in the head air inlets, heating an air before it gets in.Wonder how they are really efficient. Quote Никогда не бывает слишком много грузовиков! leversole 11.2012 Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/28860-almost-ready-to-fire-off-the-lanova/#findComment-152072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cncFireman Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 Well i bought a 4$ hair dryer from the goodwill to fill the intake with some nice hot air. I primed the fuel system and am now seeing fuel pressure. Oil presssure is building up. the fuel rack plunger deal that slides out the back of the injection pump is being pumped up. the problem I now have is these used weak light duty batteries that only give me a few seconds of full cranking power. she is cranking now twice the speed as yesterday. Which was is the fuel shutdown lever on the woodward? forward or to the rear. the cable for the shutdown is broke and will be replaced. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/28860-almost-ready-to-fire-off-the-lanova/#findComment-152083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cncFireman Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 tried it one more time. Got 20+ psi during cranking....These batteries are killing me Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/28860-almost-ready-to-fire-off-the-lanova/#findComment-152084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffbyrne Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I could be wrong, but I think a 510 and a 519 are designated ED510 and ED519. I think the 1st of the END's was the END672, which also had the 'Lanova' combustion chamber.I think this A51T has an END672. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/28860-almost-ready-to-fire-off-the-lanova/#findComment-152090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cncFireman Posted December 20, 2012 Author Share Posted December 20, 2012 The sales brochure for the a51 states end510. Also I just bought a manual for a mack eq with the 510 and all the pics look like my motor Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/28860-almost-ready-to-fire-off-the-lanova/#findComment-152182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffbyrne Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Yes boostedretard, you are correct. I now see there were also such things as END457's in EH Diesel's, so possibly there were others.I have just looked in my A51 maintenance manual and it shows it as END510.Maybe the NR was an ED510. The NR's appear to have used a two piece inlet manifold, this could be one of the differences between an ED510 or 519, and an END510 etc.I would guess that sometime between the mid 40's and 1950 they have changed designations in line with some improvements from ED to END for Mack diesels. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/28860-almost-ready-to-fire-off-the-lanova/#findComment-152191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladislav Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 This is the question I'm trying to clean up to me.NR manuals tell ED. I have never seen ED519 so suppose there is the only ED engine. The displacement note in the manual say 519 c.i.Intake mainfold consists of 2 pieces, or more correctly say 3 pieces.I thought originally ED means pre-chamber and END single chamber so surprized too when found out END672 Lanova.END457 is also Lanova but this is marine engine if the memory serves me good.Some sources tell 30's early B series trucks were equipped with ED Lanova's.Have neither info excepting the picture in that book though. Quote Никогда не бывает слишком много грузовиков! leversole 11.2012 Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/28860-almost-ready-to-fire-off-the-lanova/#findComment-152240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cncFireman Posted December 22, 2012 Author Share Posted December 22, 2012 (edited) she is pouring white smoke it turns grey and the batteries are tapped and have to be recharged.... Edited December 22, 2012 by boostedretard Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/28860-almost-ready-to-fire-off-the-lanova/#findComment-152640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cncFireman Posted December 22, 2012 Author Share Posted December 22, 2012 when Im done recovering from the smoke inhalation Ill post the video...smokiest diesel ever Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/28860-almost-ready-to-fire-off-the-lanova/#findComment-152650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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