MACKS Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 So if I understand this correctly,starting in 2015 the DOT will not issue any type two permits unless the truck has four axles,no more 10 wheel dumps,what about our grandfathered permits? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/30736-nys-overweight-permits/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKS Posted April 10, 2013 Author Share Posted April 10, 2013 O well,guess there's no NY dump truckers here.. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/30736-nys-overweight-permits/#findComment-177229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
REEL ADDICTION Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Here in Nj a few guys are stretching there tandems and adding a 3 rd axle Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/30736-nys-overweight-permits/#findComment-177242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenGiant2 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 cant remember what I have, I am good for 21.5 on a tandem at 66,000#. are you sure its not just to your area.gg2 Quote We the unwilling, Lead by the unqualified, are doing the impossible, for the ungrateful. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/30736-nys-overweight-permits/#findComment-177245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack1928 Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 So if I understand this correctly,starting in 2015 the DOT will not issue any type two permits unless the truck has four axles,no more 10 wheel dumps,what about our grandfathered permits?The trucks affected are 2006 and newer all other trucks under 2006 with type 2 permits that are only 3 axles will be fine they aren't going to change anything. A truck that is 2006 or newer with 3 axles that has a type 2 permit will be dropped to a type 1 which is about 10,000 less you will be able to carry of course depending on exact specs of the truck. At least I'm in the clear all my trucks are 2004. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/30736-nys-overweight-permits/#findComment-177247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack1928 Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Also did u ever get the Haldex slack adjuster part number I left it on your previous thread? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/30736-nys-overweight-permits/#findComment-177248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKS Posted April 11, 2013 Author Share Posted April 11, 2013 Also did u ever get the Haldex slack adjuster part number I left it on your previous thread?My parts guy knew witch one to give me but thanks for taking the time to post it and also thanks for the info on the permits,a lot of people think all ten wheelers will be denied permits,that would be a shame since there is so much work for them.. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/30736-nys-overweight-permits/#findComment-177384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsb502 Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 I would think a tri-axle would be better more payload and not much longer, you can run a 15' bed on a triaxle just fine. in TN we run 16' beds on triaxles and gross 74,000, tandems are 68,000 and quads are good for 80,000, on interstates you go by federal bridge formula, of course most guys just go with the secondary road weights and hope to not get a ticket(very few people have gotten an overweight ticket here on the interstate till recently). Of course as I understand it in NY and NJ you have to pay for a perm it for the weight you want to run, here its just built into our liscense plates, an H10 TN tag is good for 74,000 an H11 is 80,000 the 10 is about $1400, the 11 is about 80 bucks more(or was). I was good for 55,500 on my 04 Granite tri-axle and 72,500 on my old Superliner with a 22' dump trailer by the bridge law chart, but most of the time I ran 74,000 on the tri and 80,000 on the trailer. Quote "Any Society that would give up a little LIBERTY to gain a little SECURITY will Deserve Neither and LOSE BOTH" -Benjamin Franklin"If your gonna be STUPID, you gotta be TOUGH" "You cant always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you get what you need" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/30736-nys-overweight-permits/#findComment-177386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
2stacksuperdog Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Our tri-axle is good for 73,000 with out the permit and 76,500 with it but our Superliner and 24ft dump is only good for 71,000 without and 80,000 with cant figure out how a tri-axle is good for more than a trailer so its worth to get the permit but half of 95 is unsafe for permits and half the bridges in the state are too Quote Matt Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/30736-nys-overweight-permits/#findComment-177390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsb502 Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 ok then Im guessing the truck/trailer combo is about 37' from the center of the front wheel to the center of the rear wheel. I always wondered why they ran those short heavy tandems, with a 20k front and 58k rear your chassis is good for 78,000 but they are so short the bridge would be more like 51,000 (im guessing 20' bridge) so I guess they all run with an overload permit instead of just running by the tag and bridge law. Quote "Any Society that would give up a little LIBERTY to gain a little SECURITY will Deserve Neither and LOSE BOTH" -Benjamin Franklin"If your gonna be STUPID, you gotta be TOUGH" "You cant always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you get what you need" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/30736-nys-overweight-permits/#findComment-177392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKS Posted April 12, 2013 Author Share Posted April 12, 2013 If I was in the dirt business I would want a tri axle to carry more but I'm a for hire trucker and run mostly asphalt,no one here pays by the weight only buy the day and even the biggest longest tri axle dumps only carry 22-23 tons,my 10/w is legal for 23 ton and is great on tight jobs like tennis courts and small parking lots,I guess it all depends what type of work your doing but it makes sense to match the equipment to the type of work,but I will be the first to admit I'm getting tired of riding on these 58'000 rears.. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/30736-nys-overweight-permits/#findComment-177496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFCDrum Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 Jersey guys that run into NY have to get the overweight permit. The tri axle I drove for Gulino I was allowed 20 ton and his tandem was allowed 19 ton. I know he had to give them a bunch of measurements and capacity of axles, wheelbase, size of tires etc and they told him what the permit would be good for. Cheers, Rob Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/30736-nys-overweight-permits/#findComment-177497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFCDrum Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 If I was in the dirt business I would want a tri axle to carry more but I'm a for hire trucker and run mostly asphalt,no one here pays by the weight only buy the day and even the biggest longest tri axle dumps only carry 22-23 tons,my 10/w is legal for 23 ton and is great on tight jobs like tennis courts and small parking lots,I guess it all depends what type of work your doing but it makes sense to match the equipment to the type of work,but I will be the first to admit I'm getting tired of riding on these 58'000 rears..I agree with you. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/30736-nys-overweight-permits/#findComment-177498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKS Posted April 12, 2013 Author Share Posted April 12, 2013 Do how does it work in NY for a tri axle,besides the axle and tire weight ratings,how do you figure it out wheel base wise,I was told max is 79,000 but not sure what wheel base you need to get that.. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/30736-nys-overweight-permits/#findComment-177504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM897SX Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 Have you tried calling NYS, Permits Plus or another permit service? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/30736-nys-overweight-permits/#findComment-177507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKS Posted April 12, 2013 Author Share Posted April 12, 2013 Have you tried calling NYS, Permits Plus or another permit service?Not yet,thought one of you guys might know,but will check it out.. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/30736-nys-overweight-permits/#findComment-177527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFCDrum Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 Here in Nj a few guys are stretching there tandems and adding a 3 rd axleBreen and Verniero did a bunch with Sanchez. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/30736-nys-overweight-permits/#findComment-177530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFCDrum Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 Do how does it work in NY for a tri axle,besides the axle and tire weight ratings,how do you figure it out wheel base wise,I was told max is 79,000 but not sure what wheel base you need to get that..You need to call I know that's what my old boss did. They tell you how to figure it and you send in the form with your info and they tell you what you are allowed to carry. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/30736-nys-overweight-permits/#findComment-177531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKS Posted April 12, 2013 Author Share Posted April 12, 2013 Just sent an e-mail to the dot permit office regarding the changes to type two permits for 2015 just to be safe,I cant find any info where it says the changes only effect trucks that are 2006 or newer.. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/30736-nys-overweight-permits/#findComment-177536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
41chevy Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 Just sent an e-mail to the dot permit office regarding the changes to type two permits for 2015 just to be safe,I cant find any info where it says the changes only effect trucks that are 2006 or newer..Just saw this thread, this is what I got from N.Y.DOTState of New YorkDepartment of TransportationCentral Permit OfficeTypes of Divisible Load Overweight Permits–Perm 69 (07/09)Downstate Permit Types Continued on Reverse SideStatewide Permit Type 2, 2ADownstate Permit TypesApplicants must have Downstate Grandfather Rights in order to apply for any of the permit types listed below.All Permit types listed below are only valid for operation within the following Counties Westchester, Rockland, Putnam, Orange, Dutchess Nassau and Suffolk.Type 2 (F4)Max. Axle and Grouping Weights in Lbs.Fee $480.00Steering axle 22,400Min. Axles 3; 4 (After 1/01/15 and model year 2006 or newer) ******** YEAR CUT OFF*******Any other Single axle 29,500Min. Wheelbase 17 feetTandem Group 59,000Max. Wheelbase 34 feetTridem Group 64,000Max. Gross Vehicle Weight 79,000 Lbs.Quad 66,000Max. Trailer Length 40 feetType 2A (F4)Max. Axle and Grouping Weights in Lbs.Fee $1,000.00Steering axle 22,400Min. Axles 5Any other Single axle 29,500Min. Wheelbase 17 feetTandem Group 59,000Max. Wheelbase 34 feetTridem Group 64,000Max. Gross Vehicle Weight 79,000Lbs.Quad 66,000Max. Wheelbase (Combination vehicle) 44 feetMax. Trailer Length 40 feetPage 2 affects us I'm told.https://www.dot.ny.gov/nypermits/repository/perm69.pdf Quote "OPERTUNITY IS MISSED BY MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS DRESSED IN OVERALLS AND LOOKS LIKE WORK" Thomas Edison “Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘Holy shit, what a ride!’” P.T.CHESHIRE Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/30736-nys-overweight-permits/#findComment-177538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKS Posted April 12, 2013 Author Share Posted April 12, 2013 Thanks for the info chevy,like mack1928 said it only applies to trucks newer than 2006,also looks like there increasing minimum wheel base to 17'from 16'! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/30736-nys-overweight-permits/#findComment-177541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
41chevy Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Seems to be okay, only change that affects me is the Farm permit for my I.H. from yearly to 3 months. Paul Quote "OPERTUNITY IS MISSED BY MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS DRESSED IN OVERALLS AND LOOKS LIKE WORK" Thomas Edison “Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘Holy shit, what a ride!’” P.T.CHESHIRE Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/30736-nys-overweight-permits/#findComment-177598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack1928 Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 I have a 79,000 type 2 on my ex posillico truck and 2) 76,000 type 2's on my aluminum body trucks and a new style type 1 for 66,000 on another aluminum body truck. so I loose 5 ton on that truck it's so crazy the truck is identical to the other two 1 digit off on the vins yet cause I applied for it when I got the truck instead of transferring from previous trucks The truck just magically can't carry the weight anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/30736-nys-overweight-permits/#findComment-177626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKS Posted April 13, 2013 Author Share Posted April 13, 2013 So your truck from Posillico is a tri axle,how do you figure max gross for a tri axle?Where do you work on LI? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/30736-nys-overweight-permits/#findComment-177677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack1928 Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 No it's a 10 wheeler it's just because I have 425's in the front and the big cast spoke 12:00 24's on the rear I work mostly on the north shore Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/30736-nys-overweight-permits/#findComment-177773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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