RowdyRebel Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 When I blew the turbo, I changed the oil. This is the first oil change since then...and I found a whole bunch of stuff that shouldn't have been in the oil pan. Now I'm HOPING those are just pieces of the turbo that have washed down into the pan...otherwise, it's gonna cost more than I've got. Anyone recognize these pieces? Am I on borrowed time? Or are they just remnants of the blown turbo?For what it's worth, I flushed out the pan with a gallon of clean oil about a quart at a time to get the last (I hope) pieces out. Might pour that clean oil back through again just to be sure...hate to leave stuff in there if I can get it out. Quote When approaching a 4-way stop, the vehicle with the biggest tires has the right of way! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31248-not-good/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdog Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 I hope I'm wrong but those snap rings look like the ones that hold the wrist pin in the piston Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31248-not-good/#findComment-184245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyRebel Posted May 19, 2013 Author Share Posted May 19, 2013 I hope you're wrong too. I can't afford to do anything about something major like that right now, so I'l just have to hope it holds together. Pretty sure I have breakdown insurance, so if it blows up in spectacular fashion, I might be able to get help paying for it....I'm still hoping those are turbo bits & pieces...I changed the oil when I put the new turbo in after the last one blew up. This is the first oil change since then. Quote When approaching a 4-way stop, the vehicle with the biggest tires has the right of way! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31248-not-good/#findComment-184246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmer52 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 I hope I'm wrong but those snap rings look like the ones that hold the wrist pin in the pistonThat is what I thought. What is the diameter of the ring? The big piece in the lower left kinda looks like part of a thrust bearing. Quote Ken PRR Country and Charter member of the "Mack Pack" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31248-not-good/#findComment-184247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
theakerstwo Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 The snap ring is from the turbo. t holds the floating brg in the housing and also you see another ring there which is the seal ring on the exhaust side of the shaft.Well there will be a seal ring on the inbtake side as well. So stop worrying cause if it as wrist ping ring you would already heard a chunk chunk. Quote glenn akers Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31248-not-good/#findComment-184254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
staxx Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Yup turbo parts your good roll on. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31248-not-good/#findComment-184256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyRebel Posted May 19, 2013 Author Share Posted May 19, 2013 Good news for sure. Quote When approaching a 4-way stop, the vehicle with the biggest tires has the right of way! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31248-not-good/#findComment-184259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
theakerstwo Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 now that you ant got no problem I would take the drain hose for the turbo off and make sure there is not a larger piece of the brg down in the tube restricting the return oil flow.I have seen that a few times. Quote glenn akers Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31248-not-good/#findComment-184268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKS Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 How do pieces that large make it down to the oil pan? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31248-not-good/#findComment-184272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyRebel Posted May 20, 2013 Author Share Posted May 20, 2013 I had all of that apart about a week after the turbo blew when I was changing the exhaust manifold gaskets...didn't see any obstructions.The turbo outflow empties directly into the fill tube, which is a straight shot into the pan....no narrow passages to be found on that journey to the pan. Quote When approaching a 4-way stop, the vehicle with the biggest tires has the right of way! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31248-not-good/#findComment-184274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumperAndSon Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Rowdy, if you have a tin pan, put a speaker magnet on it to catch any loose steel still floating around, cast aluminum oil pan you could epoxy a smaller one to the drain plug to hold the bits.Tim Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31248-not-good/#findComment-184275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyRebel Posted May 20, 2013 Author Share Posted May 20, 2013 It's got a magnetic drain plug...still probably not a bad idea to get a larger magnet involved, though. Gotta look around the garage and see if I've got any old speakers..... Quote When approaching a 4-way stop, the vehicle with the biggest tires has the right of way! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31248-not-good/#findComment-184277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCR Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Did the pieces come out of the drain hole or did you drop the pan? Quote Denny330-550-6020A "Mack Pack" Charter Member Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31248-not-good/#findComment-184287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsb502 Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 How do pieces that large make it down to the oil pan?Most Turbo drain lines go straight to a return passage in the block and straight to the pan and most of them are at least .5"id, you owuld be amased what will get thru. Quote "Any Society that would give up a little LIBERTY to gain a little SECURITY will Deserve Neither and LOSE BOTH" -Benjamin Franklin"If your gonna be STUPID, you gotta be TOUGH" "You cant always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you get what you need" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31248-not-good/#findComment-184290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyRebel Posted May 20, 2013 Author Share Posted May 20, 2013 They came out through the drain hole. Some required a little effort, though. Quite a few pieces were stuck to the magnetic drain plug. One larger piece was wedged into the hole and I had to go after it with my finger after the oil had finished draining. I got another piece or two out while flushing it with the first gallon of clean oil...second gallon did not flush out any additional pieces, so I put the drain plug back in and filled 'er up.I saved the 2 gallons of clean oil...figure I'll strain it and use it in the lawn mower since it uses/leaks quite a bit of oil anyway. No point in throwing out that much new oil... Quote When approaching a 4-way stop, the vehicle with the biggest tires has the right of way! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31248-not-good/#findComment-184314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
slpwlker Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 You blow out and flush the intercooler also?When I blew a turbo on an old 60 series I can't remember how much crap came out then more on the oil change. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31248-not-good/#findComment-184331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxfymn Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Slide a piece of rubber hose over a telescoping magnet and go down the fill tube to see if you can fish out anymore pieces. The rubber will keep the sides of the magnet from sticking to the tube.I know it would be a major PIA, but I'd drop the pan if it can be done in-frame. Than you can check the pick up screen for obstruction. Quote Money, sex, and fire; everybody thinks everyone else is getting more than they are! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31248-not-good/#findComment-184335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry T Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 If you don't already do it, I would recommend an oil analysis. Because of this little scare perhaps do it half way through the oil change cycle then again at oil change. I do them a couple times a year on my pick up truck. Appears that I have a leaky (hopefully) intake manifold gasket again. All metals are well within normal limits. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31248-not-good/#findComment-184360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1958 F.W.D. Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 If you don't already do it, I would recommend an oil analysis. Because of this little scare perhaps do it half way through the oil change cycle then again at oil change. I do them a couple times a year on my pick up truck. Appears that I have a leaky (hopefully) intake manifold gasket again. All metals are well within normal limits. Yup...Call Giles and Ransome Caterpillar in Bensalem, Pa. have your credit card handy and order a single analysis kit over the phone- IIRC costs like $16.95 or so. That includes the kit (sample bottle, overpack bottle, draw tube, paid/labeled shipping tyvek envelope and the paperwork..) PLUS it includes the cost of the analysis itself. You cant go wrong- for less than $20 bucks you get an idea of what your engine is doing internally. Giles and Ransome Cat will analyze any make/model of engine- I send them a sample from the Waukesha gasser in my firetruck every other year just to see whats going on. Quote TWO STROKES ARE FOR GARDEN TOOLS Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31248-not-good/#findComment-184365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmer52 Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 I agree...used oil analysis. But UOA will not detect "big" pieces. "Big" pieces need a particle count/analysis. Quote Ken PRR Country and Charter member of the "Mack Pack" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31248-not-good/#findComment-184406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyRebel Posted May 20, 2013 Author Share Posted May 20, 2013 You blow out and flush the intercooler also?When I blew a turbo on an old 60 series I can't remember how much crap came out then more on the oil change.Yeah, I pulled the entire intake system from the air cleaner through to the manifold off and got a ride home to flush it all out. Used a gallon of purple power, 1/2 a bottle of dish soap, and who knows how many gallons of water from the garden hose flushing that thing out until I wasn't getting anymore indication of oil. And yes, I sent the water the opposite direction that the air would flow to push stuff back out the way it went in. Quote When approaching a 4-way stop, the vehicle with the biggest tires has the right of way! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31248-not-good/#findComment-184445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomastractorsvc Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 If you have time during the next oil change, drain the oil and flush a couple gallons of diesel or kerosene through the oil pan, you can let soak and it will breakdown any sludge deposits in the bottom of the pan and if you put in enough it will clean the pick up screen. You can keep recycle flushing it as long as you strain it, works better than oil.If you pick up any older service manuals this is what was used to flush the housings/pans I do a lot of older tractor work and it does wonders on getting crap out and you can see the metal. Pour the flush in to a 5 gallon bucket and drop in a magnet in a zip lock see what you find Quote Robert"I reject your reality and substitute my own." Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31248-not-good/#findComment-184514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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