BOBWhite Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 On 4/10/2022 at 10:46 AM, james j neiweem said: In reading this thread it seems that Signal ultimately failed Mack. Signal took all of Macks profits for the benefit of Signal and not Mack. Mack should not have sold out to Signal which led to Macks ultimate demise. -Signal/Renault/Volvo. Also it seems that Kenworth benefited greatly from the Hayes aquisition which Mack was never able to bring to fruition. Thats what happens with most acquisitions. They buy when times are good and leave the company to do its business, but as soon as time's get rocky funding gets pulled and companies shut down. All part of cut throat business practices On 3/27/2022 at 5:36 PM, BOB DINGSDALE said: 275 ROLLLS-ROYCE diesels 5+3 trans and 4640- TIMKEN rear ends, 12:00x24 tires. Did I hear you right? I did't know you could get a Rolls-Royce that late In the game. Ive seen one International truck with one from the 50s but that was it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrsmackpaul Posted May 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 14, 2022 Rolls Royce diesels were available in Australia into the 80's A new White Road Boss could be purchased from White with one Paul 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark T Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 That White was a handsome truck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h67st Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 On 5/14/2022 at 4:07 AM, mrsmackpaul said: Rolls Royce diesels were available in Australia into the 80's A new White Road Boss could be purchased from White with one Paul Did any American trucks have Rolls-Royce engines as an option? I've never heard of one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 67RModel Posted May 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 16, 2022 22 minutes ago, h67st said: Did any American trucks have Rolls-Royce engines as an option? I've never heard of one. International had them as an an option but apparently they were rarer than hens teeth, and of those essentially all were repowered with domestic made engines...... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOB DINGSDALE Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 In 1955 MacMillan-Boedel made a deal with England to trade lumber for English items. They were ROLLS-ROYCE engines, LAND-ROVER jeeps and pick-ups. AUSTIN 11/2 or 2 ton trucks. All our HAYES HD's from 1956 till 1960 came with ROLLS-ROYCE super charge (@275 hp)or N/A(@200hp) engines . Our division had two WASHINGTON log loaders with N/A factory equip ROLL'S in them. Later in the 50's they were replaced with TURBO models @300 HP.The LAND ROVERS were bad for catching fire and being aluim. would melt. The AUSTIN'S were OK but crews wanted FORD's or GM'S so treated them as such. The ROLL'S were a good engine but hard on valves and over rated on power.Bottom end was strong except for oil pump gear and crank. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOB DINGSDALE Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 Also in the 80's or 90's MENSEY BAY DIV. put a V-12 ROLL'S in a MACK CL350 log truck. Don't know what results were . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67RModel Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 On 5/16/2022 at 1:30 PM, 67RModel said: International had them as an an option but apparently they were rarer than hens teeth, and of those essentially all were repowered with domestic made engines...... The more I research this the more and more I think these Rolls powered Internationals were Canadian manufactured only. The one in the video was manufactured at International's Hamilton Ontario plant. I can't find any information that these were installed in American made trucks.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOBWhite Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 4 hours ago, 67RModel said: The more I research this the more and more I think these Rolls powered Internationals were Canadian manufactured only. The one in the video was manufactured at International's Hamilton Ontario plant. I can't find any information that these were installed in American made trucks.... That's the International truck video I mentioned earlier. It would make sense as this video and his YouTube channel is all based in Canada, Ontario I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike69mackman Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 On 3/23/2022 at 4:34 AM, louisgbone said: Mike You missed one FACT Mack did not have a choice about selling Hayes Mack was ordered by Signal group to sell Hayes or risk loosing the only capital supplier they had that is why Jack Curcio quit in 1973. So Your theory of what Mack should have done is all BS. Sorry you think my theory is bs but it was just my opinion, however now knowing that fact i understand why they did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james j neiweem Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Mack destroyed themselves long term by letting Signal in the door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrybarbon Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 On 6/27/2013 at 11:34 PM, kscarbel said: John Curcio said, "In our industry, history has proven you must grow or perish. I can recall the names of over 50 companies who once made trucks. Today, there exist about 12 brand name trucks which survived and they are all basically controlled by six companies". Mack Trucks sent hard charging ex-Marine John Curcio into Hayes to grow the company, and he did just that. Production rose from 50 units to 500 the first year, and had annual sales of US$20 million by 1973. Employee numbers rose from 80 to almost 500. But, according to Paccar executive vice president Bill Gross who oversaw their purchase of Hayes, "I think they sold it because it made no money. In fact, I know that's why they sold it.....There was no profit in it whatsoever." KS do you know where John Curcio went to work after Mack sold Hayes to Paccar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggu Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 Hi guys... what an interesting thread... I am a model builder and am wanting to convert a Pete 352 to a Hayes Clipper 100 Cab Over.... I am wondering if there is somewhere for me to be pointed for detail photos.... I have searched what I think is 'all over' , and can only find the pic that is on this thread, it isn't a bad pic but I could use a few more close ups for details I may be missing.... can anyone point me to a place I can look ............. I sure miss Hanks Trucks Pictures site.... Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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