vision386 Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Saw this show truck and a CF fire truck out behind the customer center in Allentown,wish I coulda' got out there and had a better look around!.......................................Mark Quote Mack Truck literate. Computer illiterate. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31762-outback-at-allentown/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
umodelnut Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 I took a picture of that CF too. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31762-outback-at-allentown/#findComment-191781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vision386 Posted June 30, 2013 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2013 Vin,did you ride the Bulldog? LOL! (I was all out of quarters).........................................Mark 3 Quote Mack Truck literate. Computer illiterate. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31762-outback-at-allentown/#findComment-191782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
umodelnut Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Vin,did you ride the Bulldog? LOL! (I was all out of quarters).........................................MarkNah. Haha. Im a little to big. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31762-outback-at-allentown/#findComment-191783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Man I would have payed to have seen that turned up real fast, say warp speed. LOLmike 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31762-outback-at-allentown/#findComment-191790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vision386 Posted June 30, 2013 Author Share Posted June 30, 2013 Man I would have payed to have seen that turned up real fast, say warp speed. LOLmikeLMAO! Mike,man there said he had seen a few kids get "bucked off"!.................................................Mark 1 Quote Mack Truck literate. Computer illiterate. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31762-outback-at-allentown/#findComment-191792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog13407 Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Urban Cowboy style? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31762-outback-at-allentown/#findComment-191802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmer52 Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Saw this show truck and a CF fire truck out behind the customer center in Allentown,wish I coulda' got out there and had a better look around!.......................................MarkMark - I am "lucky" to have a contact at Mack. At Trucktoberfest 2012, I had the opportunity to drive a M-drive truck/trailer around the track. I also was able to drive a Granite dump with Allison too. Not bragging, just sayin' it was great opportunity. Quote Ken PRR Country and Charter member of the "Mack Pack" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31762-outback-at-allentown/#findComment-191823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
other dog Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Vin,did you ride the Bulldog? LOL! (I was all out of quarters).........................................Markwish I had one of those, it would keep Jo entertained for hours...or I ran out of quarters. Quote Producer of poorly photo-chopped pictures since 1999. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31762-outback-at-allentown/#findComment-191825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1958 F.W.D. Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 That CF ladder truck was marketed by Mack as the "Bulldog 1" in conjunction with Hahn Fire Apparatus (Hamburg Pa.) who made and mounted the aerial ladder. They were not extremely popular but did sell a few here and there.That particular one was recently donated to the Museum by a local VFD- who rather than sell it for it's fair market value (essentially the scrap price) donated it instead and did some kind of tax write-off. It was a win-win for everyone. I just can't remember which department had it originally. 1 Quote TWO STROKES ARE FOR GARDEN TOOLS Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31762-outback-at-allentown/#findComment-191827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vision386 Posted June 30, 2013 Author Share Posted June 30, 2013 Mark - I am "lucky" to have a connect at Mack. At Trucktoberfest 2012, I had the opportunity to drive a M-drive truck/trailer around the track. I also was able to drive a Granite dump with Allison too. Not bragging, just sayin' it was great opportunity.Ken,i have never driven a truck with an automatic trans.personally,i think it would take some getting used to!...........................................Mark Quote Mack Truck literate. Computer illiterate. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31762-outback-at-allentown/#findComment-191833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vision386 Posted June 30, 2013 Author Share Posted June 30, 2013 That CF ladder truck was marketed by Mack as the "Bulldog 1" in conjunction with Hahn Fire Apparatus (Hamburg Pa.) who made and mounted the aerial ladder. They were not extremely popular but did sell a few here and there.That particular one was recently donated to the Museum by a local VFD- who rather than sell it for it's fair market value (essentially the scrap price) donated it instead and did some kind of tax write-off. It was a win-win for everyone. I just can't remember which department had it originally. Just glad to see it not made into a Hyndai! I never knew Mack had their own on-site fire department till the factory tour a couple weeks ago!.................................................Mark Quote Mack Truck literate. Computer illiterate. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31762-outback-at-allentown/#findComment-191834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
other dog Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Ken,i have never driven a truck with an automatic trans.personally,i think it would take some getting used to!...........................................Markme neither. I've heard several drivers say they never would, then they do, and they liked them. Quote Producer of poorly photo-chopped pictures since 1999. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31762-outback-at-allentown/#findComment-191838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldogboy Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 That CF ladder truck was marketed by Mack as the "Bulldog 1" in conjunction with Hahn Fire Apparatus (Hamburg Pa.) who made and mounted the aerial ladder. They were not extremely popular but did sell a few here and there.That particular one was recently donated to the Museum by a local VFD- who rather than sell it for it's fair market value (essentially the scrap price) donated it instead and did some kind of tax write-off. It was a win-win for everyone. I just can't remember which department had it originally. Wasn't there a serious problem with the Hahn aerial ladders? I seem to remember that they had this little problem of the fly sections moving past the stops. One department I know of has a Hahn ladder mounted on an "MC" chassis. Bridgewater, NH has a 1981 "Bulldog I", formerly in service in Ogunquit, ME. There was also a "Bulldog II", did that model have a tandem axle? bulldogboy Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31762-outback-at-allentown/#findComment-191840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vision386 Posted June 30, 2013 Author Share Posted June 30, 2013 me neither. I've heard several drivers say they never would, then they do, and they liked them.That's pretty much what I hear too,i could see some benefit to it,i've always wondered how well they would "hold" while jake is on on a steep downgrade?...................................................Mark Quote Mack Truck literate. Computer illiterate. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31762-outback-at-allentown/#findComment-191842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsb502 Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 That's pretty much what I hear too,i could see some benefit to it,i've always wondered how well they would "hold" while jake is on on a steep downgrade?...................................................Markif its an automated manual like the M-Drive and the Eaton autoshift, its actually in gear just like your truck is now it just has shift solenoids and a computer telling them when to shift instead of you doing it, unless you push the buttons to shift it or hold a gear that is. if its an Allison it should put the torque converter in lockup as soon as the engine brake is enabled so its pretty good, not as good as a manual but if its all running right its hard to tell the difference. Quote "Any Society that would give up a little LIBERTY to gain a little SECURITY will Deserve Neither and LOSE BOTH" -Benjamin Franklin"If your gonna be STUPID, you gotta be TOUGH" "You cant always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you get what you need" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31762-outback-at-allentown/#findComment-191843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxfymn Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 I think Hahn did the body work with LTI, Thieubolt, or Grove making the ladders. The whole experiment with Mack using outside builders to finish their trucks did not work out too well. Too many cooks spoil the broth type thing. Quote Money, sex, and fire; everybody thinks everyone else is getting more than they are! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31762-outback-at-allentown/#findComment-191934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
j hancock Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Weren't Hahn and Mack pretty tight in the construction of fire equipment? Quote JimIt doesn't cost anything to pay attention. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31762-outback-at-allentown/#findComment-191940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmer52 Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Ken,i have never driven a truck with an automatic trans.personally,i think it would take some getting used to!...........................................MarkThe Allison was smoother on the "take off" than the M-drive or Eaton Ultrashift. In "close quarter" work I would prefer Allision. Didn't get a chance to use the "jake" on the Granite. Quote Ken PRR Country and Charter member of the "Mack Pack" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31762-outback-at-allentown/#findComment-191951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsb502 Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 The Allison was smoother on the "take off" than the M-drive or Eaton Ultrashift. In "close quarter" work I would prefer Allision. Didn't get a chance to use the "jake" on the Granite.Yeah the centrifical clutches on auto shift trucks aren't the best for low speed work. I was helping move some new Freightliners locally with eaton autoshifts, it was a pain in the butt to get it to slip under the trailer smoothly I would hate to try to use one on a job site. Allison's are freaking sweet down low, I've used buses and trucks with em and they were all smooth to drive. Quote "Any Society that would give up a little LIBERTY to gain a little SECURITY will Deserve Neither and LOSE BOTH" -Benjamin Franklin"If your gonna be STUPID, you gotta be TOUGH" "You cant always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you get what you need" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31762-outback-at-allentown/#findComment-191985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFCDrum Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Drove quite a few Allisons in Macks and Western Stars. It's like driving a bus or fire truck. They were ok sometimes loaded the trans would take it's sweet time to drop a gear. The take off from a stop was pretty good. The Western Star had a 6 speed Allison world trans in her and it would only let you pre select down to 2nd gear. I was working out of Plaza Materials quarry at night on asphalt and there is a steep grade to the scale and in second with the Pac Brake on 3rd stage I still had to tap the brakes. I just don't like the truck running away like the autos do. Cheers, Rob Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31762-outback-at-allentown/#findComment-192002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
iaff5045 Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 The Mack Bulldog 1 used LTI ladders. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31762-outback-at-allentown/#findComment-192945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1958 F.W.D. Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 The Mack Bulldog 1 used LTI ladders.Weren't they "Fire Spires?" I thought those were Hahn's ladder??? Quote TWO STROKES ARE FOR GARDEN TOOLS Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31762-outback-at-allentown/#findComment-192952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldogboy Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 iaff5045 is correct, Bulldog I had an LTI ladder. BTW, I was wrong, Bulldog I was available with a tandem axle (checked my old Mack sales brochures). bulldogboy 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31762-outback-at-allentown/#findComment-192957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxfymn Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 I don't believe Hahn ever built their own ladder. All of the Hahn's I have seen have either LTI's or Grove sticks. Quote Money, sex, and fire; everybody thinks everyone else is getting more than they are! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31762-outback-at-allentown/#findComment-193164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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