leversole Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Picked the set with the most wobble to "true" myself...worked an our or so and couldnt get them true...realized the inner wheel was stuck! A can of PB Blaster, my biggest hammer, crow bars, even dropped the jack fast to the ground several times, didnt budge...will get a big sledgehammer from work and give it another go...I know the daytons on the rear are the classic East Coast look, but I HATE EM! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31864-haten-on-the-dayton/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastenafarmtrucking Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Dayton are for dump trucks.For $2400(new) you can upgrade to hub piloted wheels. Much cheaper for used. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31864-haten-on-the-dayton/#findComment-193212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Chock the fronts and pound the hub back and forth with a big tire hammer. A little workout but not to bad. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31864-haten-on-the-dayton/#findComment-193216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
2stacksuperdog Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 We put hub pilots on the passenger side of our RD since the hubs were spinning in the rims. I still like spoke wheels ar lot more than bud. Bud wheels are more of a road truck thing. 1 Quote Matt Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31864-haten-on-the-dayton/#findComment-193217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Superdog Posted July 8, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2013 that impact is your trouble. They are fine for buds but you don't need them for spokes., I never had a lick of trouble in all the years we ran spoke wheels,all I ever used was a big 4 way and a cheater bar for final snugging. 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31864-haten-on-the-dayton/#findComment-193223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog man Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 that impact is your trouble. They are fine for buds but you don't need them for spokes., I never had a lick of trouble in all the years we ran spoke wheels,all I ever used was a big 4 way and a cheater bar for final snugging. We did the same way on our trucks w/ daytons as Mike is describing .& We also lined the wheels & tires up by putting a sledge hammer in front on the tire & wheel & spun the tire & wheel wherever the wheel & tire wobbled is the lugs we tightened up until straight & true . esp if it was a steer tire . Quote You Cant Fix Stupid. But You Can Numb It With A Sledgehammer. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31864-haten-on-the-dayton/#findComment-193229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakebrake86 Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 We did the same way on our trucks w/ daytons as Mike is describing .& We also lined the wheels & tires up by putting a sledge hammer in front on the tire & wheel & spun the tire & wheel wherever the wheel & tire wobbled is the lugs we tightened up until straight & true . esp if it was a steer tire . What he said. 1 Quote Jake Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31864-haten-on-the-dayton/#findComment-193231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
theakerstwo Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Like Mike said you don't need that 1" impac. A good !/2 is enough and then about a week check them again. I run them and have never not even the tire shop were kids work have any problem. A word that may help you and that is the inter wheel in and hold with your foot and then install a spacer on that is tight fitting enough to hold the inter wheel up tight against the hub. Then put the outer wheel on. Tighten with 1/2 impac some as you go around tighten some more but if it wobbles you cant keep tighten thinking it will get any better. The tire shop I use will check the wobble but if I am standing there I tell them its ok cause I have never seen one wobble after they get thru putting them on. My son will rotate my tires for me some times and have never had a wobble. 2 Quote glenn akers Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31864-haten-on-the-dayton/#findComment-193235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
j hancock Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Take off is done with a gun. Put on is done with a ratchet while making them true.Finish with bar and double check true.Only need 250 ft lb of torque on clean dry threads with 3/4" 10 tpi studs.Jim Quote JimIt doesn't cost anything to pay attention. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31864-haten-on-the-dayton/#findComment-193245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmer52 Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Leslie - I think you should sell your Superdog to me at a reduced price. Quote Ken PRR Country and Charter member of the "Mack Pack" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31864-haten-on-the-dayton/#findComment-193266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Picked the set with the most wobble to "true" myself...worked an our or so and couldnt get them true...realized the inner wheel was stuck! A can of PB Blaster, my biggest hammer, crow bars, even dropped the jack fast to the ground several times, didnt budge...will get a big sledgehammer from work and give it another go...I know the daytons on the rear are the classic East Coast look, but I HATE EM!IMG_9096.JPGIMG_9097.JPGi would run a portapower from the rim to somewhere on frame or a bottle jack,of coarse spray WD or liguid wrench around the rim real heavy,,good luck....i really like the spokes myself,,,but yes they can drive you crazy,,,i used to work in a tire shop in the 70,s we could run them up true with an air wrench,,,but like these fella,s said...the average joe,,is better off doing them by hand...bob Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31864-haten-on-the-dayton/#findComment-193269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
39 Baby Mack Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Like Mike said you don't need that 1" impac. A good !/2 is enough and then about a week check them again. I run them and have never not even the tire shop were kids work have any problem. A word that may help you and that is the inter wheel in and hold with your foot and then install a spacer on that is tight fitting enough to hold the inter wheel up tight against the hub. Then put the outer wheel on. Tighten with 1/2 impac some as you go around tighten some more but if it wobbles you cant keep tighten thinking it will get any better. The tire shop I use will check the wobble but if I am standing there I tell them its ok cause I have never seen one wobble after they get thru putting them on. My son will rotate my tires for me some times and have never had a wobble.Listen to Glenn,This is the right way to do it!1/2" impact gun is all you need.Ron 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31864-haten-on-the-dayton/#findComment-193276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog13407 Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 take a grinder with a flapper disk on it and clean those spokes, put a few wedges back on and let it down, drive it back and forth a little, it will pop loose. and Mike is right, I only use an octagon bar with an old school tire iron wrench and can true them right up, of course I always put a PBR can on the ground next to the outside tire also. nothing wrong with spokes as long as everything is clean. its the last guy who put them together, didn't clean the threads or the spoke flat spots with a wire brush to remove the rust that's the problem. its the tubeless rims with the ridge in them I have trouble getting off a spoke rim when its on the inside. they have to come off perfectly straight cause the rims around smooth like a tube type. took me over an house before Macungie to get the inner tire off my B model to paint the rim. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31864-haten-on-the-dayton/#findComment-193326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leversole Posted July 9, 2013 Author Share Posted July 9, 2013 I only used the 1" impact to loosen! (I bought it for the front wheels and for other BIG stubborn bolts to loosen!) I always use a ratchet and socket to get 'em straight! Then the 1/2" impact and tighten them the same!I thought about rocking back and forth with it on the ground, but figured it would slip and shear off the valve stem!I will get a big Sledge from work and get it, or a porta power and some hammer work!Thanks for all the tips!I could kick myself in the A$$ for not waiting on the Yokohamas and changing only one end at a time!!!! It might be those new Kellys on the front that are causing the problem! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31864-haten-on-the-dayton/#findComment-193333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
felicello122 Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 give a good wack from the back side(rim), pops rite off for me, and make sure you put some new studs in the hub. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31864-haten-on-the-dayton/#findComment-193352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog13407 Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 yup, done that to, make sure its supported with a block under the hub in case it falls off the jack, get under it with a 12 lb sledge and hit the rim from behind. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31864-haten-on-the-dayton/#findComment-193355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifth wheel Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Check to see if the stops on the rim aren't wedged in the spoke. Striking the rim and the spoke isn't good.FW Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31864-haten-on-the-dayton/#findComment-193359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsb502 Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 I just traded the hubs and axles you need to swap to stud piloted disc to Winrock Truck Parts, call John, Bill or Casey and talk to them tell em who told you to call.800-676-0052 Quote "Any Society that would give up a little LIBERTY to gain a little SECURITY will Deserve Neither and LOSE BOTH" -Benjamin Franklin"If your gonna be STUPID, you gotta be TOUGH" "You cant always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you get what you need" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31864-haten-on-the-dayton/#findComment-193361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsb502 Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 If you make a deal for em I might be able to bring them to Watts show next month, I'm still planning to come but crazy things happen. Quote "Any Society that would give up a little LIBERTY to gain a little SECURITY will Deserve Neither and LOSE BOTH" -Benjamin Franklin"If your gonna be STUPID, you gotta be TOUGH" "You cant always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you get what you need" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31864-haten-on-the-dayton/#findComment-193362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsb502 Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 You can tighten your front wheels with a 1/2" impact too, its only 350-450 ft lbs and most 1/2" guns will do that. I can stand someone using a 1" on my truck they are overkill now. If you look back in the early 80's a 1" wasn't rated for what it is now but people still use them just because they always have. I use a good high torque 1/2" impact on all my lugs and I've never lost one yet. Quote "Any Society that would give up a little LIBERTY to gain a little SECURITY will Deserve Neither and LOSE BOTH" -Benjamin Franklin"If your gonna be STUPID, you gotta be TOUGH" "You cant always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you get what you need" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31864-haten-on-the-dayton/#findComment-193364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offset-U-bet! Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I've always used PB Blaster and a BFH (big f*#k'n hammer). Spin and swing. Its alot of work swing it under the truck but it will eventually give in. When you get it off lightly grind the flats of the spokes. My two cents. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31864-haten-on-the-dayton/#findComment-193565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leversole Posted July 12, 2013 Author Share Posted July 12, 2013 Tried again tonite...brought home a big sledge, could only beat on the tire...with the airride, I cannot get close to hitting it on the back side! Drove it back and forth a little, even spun the tire with no wedges, spacer, etc! Plenty of PB...No luck...will borrow a porta power from work, give it a shot...The PB blaster seems to be soaking in all around each spoke, don't know what is holding it on! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31864-haten-on-the-dayton/#findComment-193696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Leslie,don't listen to Ken he wants an nice dinner thrown in on the deal he wants to make. just bring it on down to my garage cause I got enough room so it want have to sit outside. Don't that sound like the better deal?mike Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31864-haten-on-the-dayton/#findComment-193702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
farm truck 613 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Make sure that the valve stem guard is not catching and, when I have that problem hit at multiple spots not just one on the farm the feed trucks and manure trucks rust fast. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31864-haten-on-the-dayton/#findComment-193704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offset-U-bet! Posted July 13, 2013 Share Posted July 13, 2013 Tried again tonite...brought home a big sledge, could only beat on the tire...with the airride, I cannot get close to hitting it on the back side! Drove it back and forth a little, even spun the tire with no wedges, spacer, etc! Plenty of PB...No luck...will borrow a porta power from work, give it a shot...The PB blaster seems to be soaking in all around each spoke, don't know what is holding it on!WOW! When was the last time they where off? I've never had that much of a problem. Let the PB flow or the PBR either one! LOL 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/31864-haten-on-the-dayton/#findComment-193800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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