Adding oil to 2-Strokes (no not a joke....serious question...!)

[1958 F.W.D.]

OK all you 2-strokers out there. Had a question posed to me the other day. Apparently with all these new fangled low-sulfer fuels out there, people have been adding oils to 2-stroke fuel. The person posing the question said that he heard everything from ATF, to 30W or 40W oil, to true 2-stroke oil (I would giggle my ass off....) to 10W-30....The purpose of course is to lubricate the parts in older engines that benefited from the lubricating qualities of older diesel.

Has anyone heard of doing this, and if so, what do you use and how much??

Ben? Tim? Anyone else???

Also, on a side note- if Yarnall comes in here telling some fairy tale about how I supposedly said last saturday that I would buy this firetruck (that we were discussing) for $2000 just to get the freshly rebuilt 8V71N alone (nevermind the rest of the truck) he must have been delirious that day- it was awfully sunny and hot and he didn't have a hat on and he didn't look like he was properly hydrating himself. Just thought everyone should know.

[j hancock]

I use a product called Power Service. They have products for different temps and something called 911 when things are really gelled up during the winter.

Use it in Mack as well as a Detroit 671.

Jim

http://www.powerservice.com/default.asp

[Pawel]

Hello!

For little two-stroke gasoline engines, that powered small cars and bikes, we always used a 50/50 mix of gasoline and oil called Mixol. But Last year in winter my mechanic tried to tell me I should add a little Mixol to the diesel fuel my van burns, in order for the injectors to work smoother. I even did it for a short time, then stopped, as I didn't notice any difference. Wouldn't want to try it on an engine with some more electronic or a supercharger, though. Have a nice day

Paweł

[farmer52]

Stanadyne Performance Formula fuel additive - I add it to all my Diesel fueled engines. Stanadyne products are hard to find. I buy mine from an online provider.

Power Service is a good second source and is easily found at places like Wally World.

[Loadstar]

FWD, hope you didn't think you could mention fire truck and not elaborate a little....or at least throw in a picture!!!!

[1958 F.W.D.]

FWD, hope you didn't think you could mention fire truck and not elaborate a little....or at least throw in a picture!!!!

Can't you read? It's a fairy tale- it never happened. A figment of Yarnall's imagination.

But if it really did happen, it might have been a Pemfab/Hamerly heavy rescue ex-Reading Pa & ex-Wilkes Barre Pa. that was sitting at Micro Fire Apparatus in Allentown Pa. Wasn't in too bad of shape either, not as much rot as one would have thought. Had a freshly rebuilt 8V71 and HT740. Went to the Schuykill County Fire Museum for what is reported to be a steal. But that's if it actually happened and not a figment of Yarnall's imagination.

[JTFormula]

I have about 10-12 gallons of fuel in my General right now with a quart of ATF to help lube everything since the truck was sitting. One of the drivers that come into the dealership next to me uses a gallon of 10w14 in each tank when he fills up. He has a series 60 Detroit.

[fullfuel01]

I'll put automatic transm fluid. It's good for lubrication. Most of the guy running V-detroit did it the entire life of the truck.

[39 Baby Mack]

I'll add my two cents.

We used to use a product made by FPPF Chemical Co. called Fuel Power.

They now make a product called Lubricity Plus Fuel Power.

Always had good results with their products.

Ron

[thomastractorsvc]

if you are talking engine oil it is what the manufacture recommend 15w-40, 30w etc... As far as additives for the ULSD fuel then that is what ever you believe, I also use the power service with cetane boost in my pickup, tractors, and the Mack's.

Hello!

For little two-stroke gasoline engines, that powered small cars and bikes, we always used a 50/50 mix of gasoline and oil called Mixol. But Last year in winter my mechanic tried to tell me I should add a little Mixol to the diesel fuel my van burns, in order for the injectors to work smoother. I even did it for a short time, then stopped, as I didn't notice any difference. Wouldn't want to try it on an engine with some more electronic or a supercharger, though. Have a nice day

Paweł

This article also address the 2 cycle oil, http://www.dieselpowermag.com/tech/ford/0911dp_fuel_additive_test/viewall.html

[thomastractorsvc]

Here is another study that I read a while ago http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/76-gm-trucks/64-maintenance-fluids/177728-lubricity-additive-study-results.html

[bullhusk]

Never use anything in the crankcase of a 2-cycle Detroit other then a stright oil (30 wt or 40 wt) or a maybe a 20 wt in temps below 15 deg! I use a product called Lucas Upper Cylinder Lub in all of my older trucks even my 1988 R-600 with a E-6 350 That FPPF is real good stuff also, esp. if you have water in your fuel tank, that stuff boils it right out

BULLHUSK

PS Lookin to retro my Lawn Boy with a V-6-53 for my 6AM Sunday morning lawn cuttttSS

[mackniac]

Never use anything in the crankcase of a 2-cycle Detroit other then a stright oil (30 wt or 40 wt) or a maybe a 20 wt in temps below 15 deg! I use a product called Lucas Upper Cylinder Lub in all of my older trucks even my 1988 R-600 with a E-6 350 That FPPF is real good stuff also, esp. if you have water in your fuel tank, that stuff boils it right out

BULLHUSK

PS Lookin to retro my Lawn Boy with a V-6-53 for my 6AM Sunday morning lawn cuttttSS

yeah good idea for the lwn boy but then you will need a tractor cause you ain't gonna be able to push it ! lol

[TozziWelding]

I run this http://howeslube.com/ all year round, keeps everything running the way it should.

[slpwlker]

Motorkote Ulsd additive also used marvel mystery oil. Hell use to take coffee filters and strain the used oil out of the generator and put it in the fuel also.

[Freightrain]

I put the occasional Power Service in my tank a few times a year. I've heard of the used oil routine, but never did it personally. I think most used to do it just to get rid of it more then help the engine.

I used to run Power Service in my dually all winter to help with jell'n. Kept a gallon jug in the bed and splashed some in the tank every fill up.

[farmer52]

Used oil or ATF is considered a NO NO. If you get stopped by the DOT and your fuel is not "water white" or "light straw" you are in for a long day.

[bullhusk]

yeah good idea for the lwn boy but then you will need a tractor cause you ain't gonna be able to push it ! lol

NO Prob!!!! I got 4 Mexie's from souph a da border to push pull me !!

[39 Baby Mack]

Used oil or ATF is considered a NO NO. If you get stopped by the DOT and your fuel is not "water white" or "light straw" you are in for a long day.

Very good point Ken!

Ron

[2stacksuperdog]

I havent seen white fuel yet its usually green.

[farmer52]

I havent seen white fuel yet its usually green.

Water white is the term used by fuel refiners (same as clear). Most on-highway ULSD is almost clear (pale yellow). Green or red fuel signifies "off-highway" "non-taxed" fuel.

[2stacksuperdog]

Yeah i know red is "offroad". Clear fuel looks green to me.

[GreenGiant2]

the d.o.t would have to prove it. alot of guys run atf up here as a lubricant in the fuel.

gg2

[BC Mack]

Never use anything in the crankcase of a 2-cycle Detroit other then a stright oil (30 wt or 40 wt) or a maybe a 20 wt in temps below 15 deg! I use a product called Lucas Upper Cylinder Lub in all of my older trucks even my 1988 R-600 with a E-6 350 That FPPF is real good stuff also, esp. if you have water in your fuel tank, that stuff boils it right out

BULLHUSK

PS Lookin to retro my Lawn Boy with a V-6-53 for my 6AM Sunday morning lawn cuttttSS

Agreed.... Never use 15W40.. even if there is a label on the engine saying so...

Detroit rescinded the bulletin approving it (I have it somewhere at work).... went back to straight 40 or 30 depending on ambient temp, and it must be CF-2 low ash...

however....... and there is always one of these..... I have spoken to operators of coaches, 8V92's, who still use 15W40 as it is easier and cheaper to buy in bulk, but they realise the oil breaks down quicker and therefore have halved the mileage between oil changes.

your mileage may vary..!!!

BC Mack

owner of three green leakers..!!!

[JTFormula]

I was told straight 40w and when I called NAPA to get some since no other parts store had straight 40 Rotela the parts guy said "what do you have, a Detroit"? - pretty funny.