39 Baby Mack Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Anybody have any pictures of the old Stoops Express C.O.E., I think they were international 9670's, tractors with the 15" drive wheels.I remember they were converted by a company in Carlisle, PAThey pulled almost straight frame 13'6" high trailers with 15" wheels. I believe they were used in the auto industry hauling extra large parts, frame assemblies, to assembly lines.Ron Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/32244-stoops-express-coes-with-15-drive-wheels/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Dash Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 I have no pics but you're right about them being used to haul auto parts. Schneider had some IH cabovers and Swift had quite a few Freightliner FLD's and Columbias spec'd that way. Stoops is also Freightliner dealer and that's the only brand tractor I remember them running, but it's been awhile. Quote Jim Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/32244-stoops-express-coes-with-15-drive-wheels/#findComment-198477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
39 Baby Mack Posted August 7, 2013 Author Share Posted August 7, 2013 I couldn't remember what make they were for sure.They sure were an odd sight, first time I ever saw one on the road I took a double take!As a matter of fact the first time I saw one I was with my brother in the "ED" just south of West Chester we were heading south he was heading north so we didn't get a real good look at it. But we looked at each other and said did that thing have 15" wheels on the back of it?Then one saturday morning one of our drivers stopped in to visit at the shop and said there's one of them Stoops trucks with little wheels on it upat Truck Maintenance (a truck repair garage around the corner from our place).Needless to say our driver, my brother Tom, and I all got in my car and went to see it up close.After looking all around the back end of it and using all the familiar expletives that one would use upon seeing such a thing I noticed the Trucking for Jesus license plate on the front of itand the marker lights in grille in the shape of a cross.I made my apologies to the driver and I can remember him saying that I didn't have to apologize to him meaning that I should apologize to the man above.It had special 15" Erie spoke drive wheels with low pro 17.5" tires. the pumpkins didn't look like they were more than a couple of inches off the ground!Driver said it ran 65 or 70 M.P.H., can't imagine what the rear ratios' were!!I can't remember for sure but I think even the slack adjusters were modified?It had a fabricated frame with quite a big step behind the cab to accommodate the lowered drive train.I remember seeing the one's Schneider and Swift had too but I think they were on 17" wheels (19.5" tubeless) and were all the way around not just on the drives.Same size you see on a lot of car carriers today?RonWhen are they going to put you in a "CX"? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/32244-stoops-express-coes-with-15-drive-wheels/#findComment-198487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
j hancock Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 I remember seeing one of those rigs on the highway years ago. Sure was odd loooking but certainly maximized the cubic feet of the trailer.Jim Quote JimIt doesn't cost anything to pay attention. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/32244-stoops-express-coes-with-15-drive-wheels/#findComment-198510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
39 Baby Mack Posted August 7, 2013 Author Share Posted August 7, 2013 It sure did that Jim.But could you imagine if you broke down, I don't think Penske or Ryder would be much help to ya!!!Ron Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/32244-stoops-express-coes-with-15-drive-wheels/#findComment-198530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freightrain Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 I remember the pumkin COEs having them tiny tires all around. Wondered what the real thought was? Keep the speed down? Or were tires cheaper? Quote Larry 1959 B61 Liv'n Large...................... Charter member of the "MACK PACK" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/32244-stoops-express-coes-with-15-drive-wheels/#findComment-198532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
39 Baby Mack Posted August 7, 2013 Author Share Posted August 7, 2013 Im pretty sure the whole idea was, like Jim mentioned above, was to increase the cubes in the trailer.These Stoop trucks I am talking about didn't have 19.5"s all the way around.They didn't have 19.5"s at all.They had 17.5's on 15" dayton style drive wheels made by the Erie Wheel Co. (had to be custom made for this application)The front wheels on the tractor were the normal 20" size (10.00x20 or 11R22.5)The wheels on the trailer were the same size as the ones on the rear of the tractor which made for a very large cube box!I think, if memory serves me, the trailer did have some sort of drop frame to it maybe 2 inches?They wanted everything out of it, height wise, that they could get.Ron Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/32244-stoops-express-coes-with-15-drive-wheels/#findComment-198534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Dash Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 When are they going to put you in a "CX"?"IDK" 2013 purchases are done.I've never seen a Stoop's truck with the small tires and figured they were the same size what the others had. They were ugly with the 19.5's I can't imagine what a 15's would look like.I thought Schneider only ran them on the drives with the standard lo-pro 22's on the steers. I'm sure there are pics of those floating around the web.The trailers were hi-cube with a much taller inside height. They were step decks but even the nose section was taller than the traditional trailer. Quote Jim Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/32244-stoops-express-coes-with-15-drive-wheels/#findComment-198575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
39 Baby Mack Posted August 7, 2013 Author Share Posted August 7, 2013 Jim,Wish I could find some pictures of these things, they were definitely different looking to say the least!I can't even find a picture of one on Hank's website!Wouldn't want to post it if I found one on there anyway, too much bullshit!!!Ron Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/32244-stoops-express-coes-with-15-drive-wheels/#findComment-198576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Dash Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Yeah I tried and found a whole lotta stuff I wasn't looking for, but I know I've seen them posted somewhere. Schneider used theirs on the Honda account. Quote Jim Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/32244-stoops-express-coes-with-15-drive-wheels/#findComment-198581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vision386 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Believe it or not I couldn't find any pictures either! I remember seeing those too,and wondered what they were used for,i know Swift had some truck-trailer combinations with small tires that were used to deliver automobiles themselves. Pretty sure Ruan leasing had some "Maxi-Cube" IH C.O.Es too.Ron,do you remember who made those 3 axle (single tired) moving vans,the ones that were supposed to double your cube! LOL! and eliminate the fender wells (like on a double drop) I couldn't find any pictures of those either,pretty sure they were Matlocks,maybe Kentuckys?.....................................Mark Quote Mack Truck literate. Computer illiterate. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/32244-stoops-express-coes-with-15-drive-wheels/#findComment-198590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry T Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 For several years there were 2 or 3 White COE's with the cut frame and 15" wheels sitting on a property that was a closed lumber yard that was some how associated with FT Wayne Vehicle Auction. I never took pic's of them and I don't know what happened to them. They had some of the trailers too. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/32244-stoops-express-coes-with-15-drive-wheels/#findComment-198594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
2stacksuperdog Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 I know a company my dad worked for had drop vans that were 2 axle single tired and i think they were Murphys. Quote Matt Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/32244-stoops-express-coes-with-15-drive-wheels/#findComment-198605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freightrain Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Local potato chip company ran single tire duals on their boxes. No need for "heavy" suspension when you are hauling bags of AIR!!! Quote Larry 1959 B61 Liv'n Large...................... Charter member of the "MACK PACK" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/32244-stoops-express-coes-with-15-drive-wheels/#findComment-198641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
39 Baby Mack Posted August 8, 2013 Author Share Posted August 8, 2013 Believe it or not I couldn't find any pictures either! I remember seeing those too,and wondered what they were used for,i know Swift had some truck-trailer combinations with small tires that were used to deliver automobiles themselves. Pretty sure Ruan leasing had some "Maxi-Cube" IH C.O.Es too.Ron,do you remember who made those 3 axle (single tired) moving vans,the ones that were supposed to double your cube! LOL! and eliminate the fender wells (like on a double drop) I couldn't find any pictures of those either,pretty sure they were Matlocks,maybe Kentuckys?.....................................MarkI remember the trailers you're talking about Mark,I can't remember the make for sure either but looked like as you said either Matlocks or Kentuckys.Ron Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/32244-stoops-express-coes-with-15-drive-wheels/#findComment-198673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmer52 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Frito-Lay used trailers with (what looks like) 15" wheels. Hank the crank has some pics. Quote Ken PRR Country and Charter member of the "Mack Pack" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/32244-stoops-express-coes-with-15-drive-wheels/#findComment-198675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 39 Baby Mack Posted August 8, 2013 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 8, 2013 Frito-Lay used trailers with (what looks like) 15" wheels. Hank the crank has some pics.Ken they were 15" wheels on their trailers, same size wheels we used on most of our horse trailers.They were also used on a lot of electronics vans in the moving industry.Ron 5 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/32244-stoops-express-coes-with-15-drive-wheels/#findComment-198677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmeitz Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Great Photos Ron, thanks for posting. Quote Keith http://www.flickr.com/photos/40978025@N04/ Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/32244-stoops-express-coes-with-15-drive-wheels/#findComment-198684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
39 Baby Mack Posted August 8, 2013 Author Share Posted August 8, 2013 Thanks Keith,I wish I could find pictures of these Stoops trucks I've been talking about before somebody thinks I'm nuts!!! (or at least nuttier than I am already!)Ron 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/32244-stoops-express-coes-with-15-drive-wheels/#findComment-198690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brocky Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 RonI also remember seeing those units. I think Averett had some also. on I 35 going to Laredo.Defineately were used for the auto industry, but no idea which light bulky parts?Brocky Quote Brocky Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/32244-stoops-express-coes-with-15-drive-wheels/#findComment-198691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 39 Baby Mack Posted November 12, 2015 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 12, 2015 Look what I found on Facebook!Not exactly what I was looking for but this is even better, it's a Mack.This is how the Stoops Express trucks were set up.20" wheels in the front and 15" wheels in the back.I told you guys I wasn't seeing things!Ron 5 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/32244-stoops-express-coes-with-15-drive-wheels/#findComment-311095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomastractorsvc Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 wonder how they stood up to to 65MPH spinning so fast Quote Robert"I reject your reality and substitute my own." Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/32244-stoops-express-coes-with-15-drive-wheels/#findComment-311097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freightrain Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 So the trailer loading height was lower due to the shorter wheels? Giving more cubic feet of box since it was taller. Interesting. Quote Larry 1959 B61 Liv'n Large...................... Charter member of the "MACK PACK" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/32244-stoops-express-coes-with-15-drive-wheels/#findComment-311104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
75T Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 The potato chip factory in Berwick PA had the same set up with GMC Brigadier's in the late 80's early 90's . Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/32244-stoops-express-coes-with-15-drive-wheels/#findComment-311113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenGiant2 Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 A 47" fifth wheel would not be able to pull that trailer then. Would be too high? Quote We the unwilling, Lead by the unqualified, are doing the impossible, for the ungrateful. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/32244-stoops-express-coes-with-15-drive-wheels/#findComment-311115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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