2 Mack Aerial Scopes

[cummins6900]

Not interested in any more neg. comments from people that don't know the whole story and just make judgemental comments.

Edited September 13, 2013 by cummins6900

[yarnall]

What do you guys think of this? This guy buys the scope off here a few weeks ago for a song now says he is forced to scap it. Great guy. Shame for the trucks though. Mike

[fxfymn]

BULL....; I'm sure the gent who Paul Romano represented wanted the rig sold at a really fair price so a collector would get it, not a scrapper. Not much you can do about it though once it's sold all is fair.

[2stacksuperdog]

Shouldn't of bought the trucks then. The guy probably would have let them go cheaper because he wanted them to go to a GOOD home NOT for scrap.

[umodelnut]

Why would anyone come up from WV to buy an Ariel Scope in good running condition, then drive it to a junk yard?

MA to WV is a long way too.

[2stacksuperdog]

Why would anyone come up from WV to buy an Ariel Scope in good running condition, then drive it to a junk yard?

MA to WV is a long way too.

Im with Vinny and fxfymn on this one. And Wenham, Mass is a long drive from here to there i could only imagine going from there all the way to WV.

[cummins6900]

Well Guy's it's like this, A friend told me about this truck in mass for sale for $6,500. I looked at the pics , called the guy Who by the way is a Mack collector and truck salesman. I would rather not say his name on here but he has the FIRST R-model Mack firetruck and cut it up to make a pick up truck out of it.. Anyway the truck was not shifting into hi range so he took it to a mack dealer across from his house to have fixed, (a buddy buddy deal) they told him that they could not fix it and they were to busy, so he took the truck home and tried fixing it himself. I flew up on Monday, The truck had ALOT more rust on it then was in the pics, when we took it for a ride I did not think it was shifting into high right. It would not shift into high untill 2100 to 2200rpms. and alot of blow by. Going against my gut feelings i purchased it anyway and started to drive it home to Wv. It did ok untill I started to hit some longer bigger hills in Nj. then when in pa. going up and down the mountains it did not shift right, the temps started going up to 240 degrees and staying there.When I stopped for fuel it had about 2 quarts of oil on the ground, going up hills trucks kept flashing thier lights because of all the blow by smoke. My intentions was to buy this scope and restore it for my collection and to use it for parades and use it in the movie industry, However when I got it home there was bearly any oil on the dipstick again, and now the truck won't start. When all of you saw this truck on here for sale from that guys collection it was for sale for $4,250 , then sold it to me in this condition for $ 6,500 and I a total of $8,000 into this truck that won't start, when it did run,it did not run right. I had a guy from a local Mack dealership come and look at the truck and he said if it was him he would junk it. it needs a new motor not to mention when he looked undernieth the body frame mounts where COMMPLETY rusted through He said it will cost you more then it is worth. . I was not able to get under the truck and give it a good look over due to me having only 1 leg. I put this on here seeking to help some fire department to maybe they could bennifit from my misfortune and bad judgement with buying this truck. I trust people too much thinking that no one would screw me over that bad. Instead of getting some usefull help or advise I get talked about .I am out $8,000 for a truck that is junk and sold to me by a MACK guy as being good. It;s all in the attorneys hand now. I appaligize to the great guys like this YARNELL, I will never post or seek help here ever again, after this episode I might just become this GREAT GUY that you called me and start buying every Mack Firetruck that i can and scrap them all, just because of you and all your neg, comments.

[Terry T]

Many on this board post with our hearts as lovers of everything MACK not understanding that no matter what, not every truck can be saved. Everyone who posted on here would like to see every truck saved by someone although most of us, ourselves, are not in a position to do that.I believe that often what happens is that we tend to take out the frustration that we feel at not being able to save old iron on those who have the means to buy but don't do with their purchases what WE THINK should be done with them. Now that we have "the rest of the story" perhaps some will see this issue a little bit differently. As I looked at the pic's that were posted of the trucks, I looked in the background and seen other apparatus & I was sure that this was not the way you envisioned the outcome for these trucks. Sadly there is someone out there for every single useable part on these trucks but you, as a businessman, cannot afford to have your money hanging out there for what would probably be years so the best way for you to cut your loss is to "short sell" what you have, lick your wounds and move on. I hope you will give our forum another chance perhaps the next time you have a truck available there will be someone in place to purchase it and give it the good home we all would like to offer. This time it just wasn't meant to be.

[mackdogsonly]

Let's set this story straight!!! I am the gentleman who sold George the truck which I purchased from the estate of Don Costin.

I drove the truck back to my yard from Wenham , Mass. which was about 65 miles. I did have trouble shifting into high range

on occasion, however the truck did not overheat at all. I looked into the shift problem with my friends from the Mack garage.

It was determined that the throttle linkage on the injection pump was out of time. I corrected the problem and also adjusted

the linkage on the air foot throttle. I rode tested the truck and found that it did shift at 2100 rpm's as it was designed to do.

The buyer was e-mailed approximately 20 to 25 pictures including 4 pictures showing the minor rust. He was also recommended

not to drive the truck to West Virginia as the truck is 42 years old and weighs 44,000 pounds and was not designed to

travel that far non stop due to the age of the truck. The buyer stated it would be alright because he was in no rush and was taking his time. He left here at 1:45 P.M. on Monday, Sept. 9th and arrived at his home at 5:15 A. M. on Tuesday. He had the opportunity to get on a plane and go back home if the truck wasn't what he wanted. He did not mention that the truck had six

brand new radial tires on it and a brand new E-1 body. which is worth $6500 any day of the week. He also stated he has a

1980 Mack Scope with extreme rust but a good drive line, it would be well worth it to put the motor from that truck into the 1971 truck. I have been fixing, running , and selling Mack trucks for over 40 years and never had one complaint. Any one

is welcome to e-mail or phone with any comments positive or negative or questions, which I will answer.

Thank You---mackdogsonly@aol.com or Merk @508-868-4322

[1958 F.W.D.]

I was not able to get under the truck and give it a good look over due to me having only 1 leg.

Let me get this straight....You claim you could not go under the truck and give it a good look because you only have one leg- even though you got on an airplane, and also managed to drive it from Ma to Wv???? When I was a career firefighter I worked with a guy who had one prosthetic leg and was still a paid firefighter......Sorry I'm not buying that sob story. You bought a truck that you did not thoroughly inspect by your own admittance......A 40 year old truck (that was not designed as a highway tractor or to maintain highway speeds up and down hills for that matter) that you drove home after you were told not to.....

See ya bye bye......

[2stacksuperdog]

Someone please correct me if im wrong but didn't mack put special pistons and liners, etc. to be used in these engines specifically because they idled majority of the time and were not running up and down the highway all day.

[cummins6900]

Thank you Terry T,

I will keep that in mind in the future, It's my fault that I puchased that truck. Everyone has been there seeing a truck for sale and just wanting it no matter what. As far this 1958 fwd. I am glad to hear that your fire fighter friend with the 1 leg was able to get around great after his accident, I am however not as lucky, I am not trying to use my dissability as a excuse for bad judgement in truck buying either. As far as getting on a plane you can be a totally parralized and still be able to get onto a plane and travel, and Yes even drive a Automatic car or truck as it was in this case. As far not driving it..tHat does not even make any sense. So you buy a truck and are affraid to drive it because it might break down. thats crazy, why even own one then. A brand new car or truck out of the show room can break down on you. With these old trucks you just have to take your time and don't push it more then what it can do. As long as it can go 40 mph or more you can drive it on any highway anywhere. That would be like not taking it across the country for a mack show because you are affraid of breaking down all the time. As far as Merk goes, there is no hard feeling towards him at all. My origanal post was asking if anybody that knew a fire dept. that was planning to do a refurb or purchase a NEW remounted scope. It would be cheaper for them to get the scope boom off of this truck as it is the one thing that I know works very well, I tried it. Hell I might have even DONATED this truck to a fire dept.. I know how needy most vfd are. I am NO bussiness person, nor rich. Just a trying to collect and preserve old firetrucks to keep me occupied. not make money from them buying and selling them. I had great plans for that truck. It was going to be parked in my big garage right next to my other trucks. I own several very nice trucks and use them for movies and parades, I deal with jelous people all the time.. But enough of this FACEBOOK teen age drama.

George

[fdnymackcf]

What size are the tires?

[2stacksuperdog]

Somone i know wants to know if the truck is still available?

[1958 F.W.D.]

Someone please correct me if im wrong but didn't mack put special pistons and liners, etc. to be used in these engines specifically because they idled majority of the time and were not running up and down the highway all day.

No, Not true at all. Folklore.

[2stacksuperdog]

No, Not true at all. Folklore.

Ok thanks

[cummins6900]

To anyone intersted,

The Lynfield scope is going to be parted out instead of being completly crushed. I have had several private messages from people wanting parts for thier cf macks. A mack mechanic came to the house over the weekend and found SEVERAL problems that he recomended not fixing due to cost. The injector pump is shot and does not have enough pressure to keep motor running,there is oil leaking from the turbo, the radiatoris almost commplety rusted through, which is probabally why I used 3 gal of water on the trip home. and after he found and read the aerial inspection report that states that ALL the frame/cab mounts are rusted and rotted completly through that I would not be a good cristian to sell it to someone in that condition. . BUT on a brighter note.. the boom works great,some of the outer body parts are good . The tires and rims are already spoken for, A guy wants the aerial basket to build a bar for his mancave, (unless somebody wants the whole boom) The boom is complete right now, anyone interested in the boom, conntact asap or it will be gone also, Doors, glass, gauges, emblems, reaend,are all good and still unclaimed.and for sale. I do have the full set of ladders for sale as well. Anyone interested in anything, please send me a private message and not public due to some of the inmature haters out there with thier negative facebook drama.

George

[Terry T]

I wish I had money, I'd make you an offer on the complete cab. I have a plan in my head for something but it will take a lot of money and will probably just remain my dream...

[cummins6900]

Hi Terry,

What is your dream using a CF cab? maybe I can help. Do you have a cf that you are trying to re do? I have had a few interest for the complete boom, and I am going to keep it whole atleast untill next week, but there is a guy that wants to make a bar out of the basket. He said he had seen a pic of one a guy did on the Arealscope sight on facebook. I have to say it does look pretty cool if you have the room and the money to do that. Send me a private message if you like.

Take care,

George

[Terry T]

Thanks George but at this point financially nothing is possible. I have actually had to liquidate my small collection of trucks. I'm in the fall back & regroup mode at this time. I missed a running CF that had been lightly cannibalized about 2 years ago that was only a couple miles away. I think 3250.00 would have bought the entire thing I could have removed the cab, parted it & scrapped the rest and made my money back. Entire apparatus ended up being scrapped.

[j hancock]

Parting out to keep others alive is a good thing.

[bulldogboy]

cummins6900:

I think that we all want every Mack saved (especially fire trucks) but realistically that is not possible. The fact that some Lynnfield parts will help keep other Macks running is great.

The department that I worked for had a lot of "L", "B", and "CF" trucks but I think that some of them were scrapped; a couple are still around. BTW, what happened to the other Aerialscope?

bulldogboy

[cummins6900]

Hi Bulldogboy,

I have decided against some of my close friends advise to scrap them both. I have decided to take alot of the parts from the Lynnfield scope and use them on my other Mack scope( Origanally Wahntaue Ny.) to make a kick ass running Mack scope that can be driven ANYWHERE in the U.S.A. to any Mack show or Fire muster without worries of never making my destination. Besides those parts that I need, I have had several private request from people needing parts to either restore or keep thier CF Mack running. As everyone with cf's know that parts are getting harder and harder to find for the cf fire trucks. Besides that alot of cf parts are shared with the R models as well. After that whats left will go down the road to maybe be a Pepsi can one day or something else in a new cookie cutter fire truck from one of todays fire truck builders. I have contacted a few Mack/ Seagrave/ Baker garages to let them know that I have parts and a complete boom for a transplant if a fire department wants to save a little money. I just finished building a 60' X 90' Heated building with a indoor inground swimming pool built in still leaving plenty of room for a few fire trucks, So I have room to restore a big truck like a scope. If I run out of room ,I'll just build another building even bigger. Life is too short and you can't take money with you , might as well die being in debt. lol..

Take care Bulldogboy, talk again sometime soon,

George

[cummins6900]

Hi Don,

Here are some pics of that piece you need for your cf. Send me a private email with your wishes of buying it.