bigdawg Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Hi, All. New to BMT lots of useful info here. I have a perplexing problem, has me scratching my head. 2001 E7 Etech 355/380hp , with jake brakes .started losing power like a fuel filter about a week ago, changed filter. No real change in power loss, truck is blowing more black smoke like a possible turbo issue. Truck is giving a fault code 69/ j1939 link other device affecting ecu operation. Yesterday truck started to miss at when pulling empty trailer. Once driver made it in truck was idling and revving up fine, thou at 1800 or so rpm it would pop and blow grayish black smoke extremely violently. upon letting off the throttle engine will recover and run normally. I was sick so i parked it and fired the truck up again today, being cold I cannot get it to recreate the violent pop. Removed the inlet to the turbo charger there is some slop in the shaft , have not yet checked the boost pressure I have to get a gauge. Only other noticeable issues cylinder 1 and 3 are leaking unburnt fuel from the exhaust manifold possible faulty injector. Has me confused though cause the truck will not create the issue when its cold. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33053-2001-vision-e7-etech-issues/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
staxx Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Fuel supply pump ,gear is slipping on shaft need to remove and inspect . Easy to replace only 2 bolts , if pump checks ok look at fuel return check valve or restiction on fuel inlet side . My bet is on the supply pump though. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33053-2001-vision-e7-etech-issues/#findComment-210395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdawg Posted October 6, 2013 Author Share Posted October 6, 2013 OK , removed inspected fuel supply pump gear is tight pump seems to be functioning. Removed fuel lines check for collasped lines , using a clean bucket of fuel with a good line bypassing the ones being checked. Same issue, seems to be getting worse even when im testing it , not as violent now, just works into a miss and spews white/grayish smoke , must have a bad turbo. Any thoughts? Thanks staxx. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33053-2001-vision-e7-etech-issues/#findComment-210410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
staxx Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Check out the return line check valve this is were the pressure is made. Its a fitting below the # unit pump in the side of the block . Unhook the line , leave check valve in block pump the hand primer if fuel returns = comes out valve without building psi it is no good. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33053-2001-vision-e7-etech-issues/#findComment-210424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdawg Posted October 7, 2013 Author Share Posted October 7, 2013 removed line fuel squirts out when hand primed, removed fitting appears check valve is made on to fitting, fitting is a 45 degree tee. with a small plastic line tying in. thanks for all the help staxx. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33053-2001-vision-e7-etech-issues/#findComment-210634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rw613 Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 removed line fuel squirts out when hand primed, removed fitting appears check valve is made on to fitting, fitting is a 45 degree tee. with a small plastic line tying in. thanks for all the help staxx.injector Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33053-2001-vision-e7-etech-issues/#findComment-210636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
staxx Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 That checkvalve should relieve at 70-80psi Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33053-2001-vision-e7-etech-issues/#findComment-210647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdawg Posted October 7, 2013 Author Share Posted October 7, 2013 Got 2 new injectors, on the way and a new check valve. Pulled turbo couldn't see the exhaust side when it was on manifold. Exhaust side fins are toast, new turbo in hand as well ill let yall know the out come. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33053-2001-vision-e7-etech-issues/#findComment-210648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
staxx Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Got to hate it when the more expensive parts fail. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33053-2001-vision-e7-etech-issues/#findComment-210659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdawg Posted October 8, 2013 Author Share Posted October 8, 2013 Well, new turbo, 2 new injectors, new check valve, and no power. Boost is at 24-25 psi under load , no more leaking injectors truck with an empty trailer flat ground (south la) grossing 32000lbs cant make 60. Fuel filter Davco 382 processor has air bubbles , tested in a bucket with another hose no bubbles. New hose is being made now , maybe the pickup is bad could figure out how to test without a new hose. Truck doesnt smoke anymore , does miss a little in the top holes, I think because its sucking air. We shall see. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33053-2001-vision-e7-etech-issues/#findComment-210793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdawg Posted October 8, 2013 Author Share Posted October 8, 2013 Well, added new fuel suction line , still very little power . Truck wont spool out in 5th gear (6speed), cant get to 65 with an empty chip trailer. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33053-2001-vision-e7-etech-issues/#findComment-210812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtymilkman Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Still bubbles in filter? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33053-2001-vision-e7-etech-issues/#findComment-210817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdawg Posted October 8, 2013 Author Share Posted October 8, 2013 No bubbles Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33053-2001-vision-e7-etech-issues/#findComment-210819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
staxx Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Need to figure out how the exhaust side turbo fins got cooked, any exhaust leaks or boost leaks. Do you have a pyro gauge and if so what the temp at full load? What was wrong with the injectors you replaced did the tip split or just bad spray patterns. Have we put a fuel psi gauge on it yet to see what psi we have in 5th gear? Have seen a few mufflers fall apart inside blocking flow causing high temps and low power. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33053-2001-vision-e7-etech-issues/#findComment-210863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdawg Posted October 9, 2013 Author Share Posted October 9, 2013 no psi gauge yet, changed muffler , no boost leaks , no exhaust leaks , did not check to see if anything was wrong with injectors just they were leaking Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33053-2001-vision-e7-etech-issues/#findComment-210907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdawg Posted October 9, 2013 Author Share Posted October 9, 2013 Its in the shop now, so we will see what they can find to charge me for. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33053-2001-vision-e7-etech-issues/#findComment-210939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
staxx Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Good luck Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33053-2001-vision-e7-etech-issues/#findComment-210953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdawg Posted October 9, 2013 Author Share Posted October 9, 2013 Well, they seem as loss as me, changing the engine speed sensor and road speed sensor . Saying they woukd like to change the other 4 injectors, and the engine is near the rebuild age. Has 642000 miles and 25k hours. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33053-2001-vision-e7-etech-issues/#findComment-210996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bts-4120 Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 doesn't sound like rebuild time, sounds like a mechanic wanting to jerk the heads and look inside to me Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33053-2001-vision-e7-etech-issues/#findComment-211014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
staxx Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Need to drive the truck or dyno the truck with a tech watching the parameters with a laptop. Need to make sure its at in the computer 100% load full throttle ,see if anything is derating engine power. How did you check for boost leaks? Need to use a air puck on inlet of charge air cooler and check entire engine air compressor intake line and hoses intake manifold gaskets etc. The 355/380 need all the air they can get even a small intake manifold gasket leak can big performance issues . Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33053-2001-vision-e7-etech-issues/#findComment-211041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
theakerstwo Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Need to drive the truck or dyno the truck with a tech watching the parameters with a laptop. Need to make sure its at in the computer 100% load full throttle ,see if anything is derating engine power. How did you check for boost leaks? Need to use a air puck on inlet of charge air cooler and check entire engine air compressor intake line and hoses intake manifold gaskets etc. The 355/380 need all the air they can get even a small intake manifold gasket leak can big performance issues .many times I have found boost leaks that someone else failed all due not pressuring the system up to the heads. If you pressure it to the heads you can turn the engine slow and seal the flow on all cylinders at one time at some point. May be exhaust closed on one cyl and intake close on another but this is true with all brand engines.Never blowed a stem seal yet.You can catch a lot of things by monitoring the system while driving. Quote glenn akers Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33053-2001-vision-e7-etech-issues/#findComment-211046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdawg Posted October 11, 2013 Author Share Posted October 11, 2013 Ok, shop took it charged me 1300 changed a few sensors and put computer on it duchange . I have it back made a puck tested for turbobleaks, found none. Not the slightest. Tested fuel pressure 70 psi. Runs 100 mph no trailer, empty trailer and cant make 60 . Tried to make it throw some smoke shifting fast like at 800 or 1k rpm no smoke, must not be getting fuel im lost. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33053-2001-vision-e7-etech-issues/#findComment-211238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdawg Posted October 12, 2013 Author Share Posted October 12, 2013 Droppong oil pan, to check on the camshaft Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33053-2001-vision-e7-etech-issues/#findComment-211351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
staxx Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Any chance this got suger in the fuel , had this happen before screwed up the unit pumps all 6 causing 100 hp loss. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33053-2001-vision-e7-etech-issues/#findComment-211378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
staxx Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Look at the bottom of liners make sure there's no scoring from injectors over fueling . 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33053-2001-vision-e7-etech-issues/#findComment-211379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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