leversole Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I have some Mack part numbers to change my steers and rears to modern hub pilot...is there an aftermarket source for these?Thanks Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33990-wheel-upgrade/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsb502 Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Yeah just cross reference the mack numbers at any Fleetpride, TruckPro or other truck parts place. Quote "Any Society that would give up a little LIBERTY to gain a little SECURITY will Deserve Neither and LOSE BOTH" -Benjamin Franklin"If your gonna be STUPID, you gotta be TOUGH" "You cant always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you get what you need" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33990-wheel-upgrade/#findComment-222915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdog Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 I gotta ask why? I work mine everyday and yes the convenience of a hub pilot wheel would be nice,but there is no way I could justify the cost of a complete all axle swap . Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33990-wheel-upgrade/#findComment-222917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmer52 Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 I gotta ask why? I work mine everyday and yes the convenience of a hub pilot wheel would be nice,but there is no way I could justify the cost of a complete all axle swap .I think Leslie is having a difficult time locating "nice" stud piloted aluminum wheels. But I will leave the explaining to Leslie.P.S. Notice I didn't type "assume". Quote Ken PRR Country and Charter member of the "Mack Pack" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33990-wheel-upgrade/#findComment-222922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdog Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Are there no commercial wheel polishers in his area? I can get brand new stud pilot wheels thru Vander Haag's,too. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33990-wheel-upgrade/#findComment-222925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsb502 Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 You should be able to swap a front axle for about $400-$500 and a drive for around $650-$750, that's new bearings, drums and all. I can get used stud piloted aluminum wheels around $200 ea and most are rough, used hub pilots are around $150 and most are nice, just need to be polished. Quote "Any Society that would give up a little LIBERTY to gain a little SECURITY will Deserve Neither and LOSE BOTH" -Benjamin Franklin"If your gonna be STUPID, you gotta be TOUGH" "You cant always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you get what you need" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33990-wheel-upgrade/#findComment-222928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leversole Posted December 25, 2013 Author Share Posted December 25, 2013 Two reasons...I want the spokes off the back and I want to go 24.5...figured hub pilot is the current standard an mo' better?!? No?!? 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33990-wheel-upgrade/#findComment-222997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack mhe9 Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 My opinion that would be ok. Start with the rears I'd go hub piloted then you don't have to mess with the inner nut setup. An 11.24 lows the same hight as 11.22 tall so change your front when ever. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33990-wheel-upgrade/#findComment-223002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsb502 Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 What Ray said, you don't have to do it all right now, just swap the rear hubs and you can even go low buck and put some steel wheels on it for now, do it as you have the cash, of course I have noticed the hub pilot wheels from the scrap places are about 50-100 for steel and 100-200 aluminum, so its not much different. Also remember that there are several stud lengths and you need to get the right studs to be able to use aluminum wheels and even longer for two aluminum wheels as they are twice as thick as steel. I don't think you would need aluminum inside and out though unless you just really wanted them, your not going for a lighter weight for payload just looks so that will save you some cash right there, $50 each for 4 steel inside wheels and about $150 each for 4 aluminum outside wheels thatll save you $400 right there. Quote "Any Society that would give up a little LIBERTY to gain a little SECURITY will Deserve Neither and LOSE BOTH" -Benjamin Franklin"If your gonna be STUPID, you gotta be TOUGH" "You cant always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you get what you need" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33990-wheel-upgrade/#findComment-223081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ditchkus Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Some never learn "Spoke Wheels Rule". Just my unbiased opinion.Joe D. 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33990-wheel-upgrade/#findComment-223083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmer52 Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 Some never learn "Spoke Wheels Rule". Just my unbiased opinion.Joe D.I'm with Joe.....spokes! Put 24.5 rims on your spokes. 1 Quote Ken PRR Country and Charter member of the "Mack Pack" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33990-wheel-upgrade/#findComment-223089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullfuel01 Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 On front stud piloted hub you can change the stud and turn them in hub piloted hub. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33990-wheel-upgrade/#findComment-223100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenGiant2 Posted December 25, 2013 Share Posted December 25, 2013 fullfuel, explain? Quote We the unwilling, Lead by the unqualified, are doing the impossible, for the ungrateful. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33990-wheel-upgrade/#findComment-223113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsb502 Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Only on certain hubs FullFuel, most of the 90's hubs were the same hub diameter but 70's and 80's they are rare to cross and center the wheel properly. If it doesn't have tabs sticking out, it won't hold center and you'll get a bounce. Quote "Any Society that would give up a little LIBERTY to gain a little SECURITY will Deserve Neither and LOSE BOTH" -Benjamin Franklin"If your gonna be STUPID, you gotta be TOUGH" "You cant always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you get what you need" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33990-wheel-upgrade/#findComment-223158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullfuel01 Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 my 1991 RW713 was stud piloted on steer from factory. I changed the stud and it's now hub piloted. I can't tell exactly from wich year you can switch them but most if not all my old mack with buds on the front are interchangeable. It doesn't matter a lot on the front, the rear one are sh*t and cause problems. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33990-wheel-upgrade/#findComment-223187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsb502 Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Do the hubs on your older trucks have hub alignment tabs? I've only seen very few on older trucks and always figured they swapped the hub, my 85 doesn't have em. Quote "Any Society that would give up a little LIBERTY to gain a little SECURITY will Deserve Neither and LOSE BOTH" -Benjamin Franklin"If your gonna be STUPID, you gotta be TOUGH" "You cant always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you get what you need" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33990-wheel-upgrade/#findComment-223190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladislav Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 There were 6 stud-piloted 24.5 Alcoas at Macungie this past summer for $75 each.Looked weel and needed polishing for shure.I payed the same figure for the same amount in the same condition, they're travelling over the sea right in the moment.On my mind a reason to use inner steel's is doubty, they'll need to be cleaned up of rust and pained just to not to be pieces of sh*t.As far as used alloys need polishing there's a matter to think more about new ones.And if you go that way you can get Dura-bright's but hub-piloted only. Quote Никогда не бывает слишком много грузовиков! leversole 11.2012 Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33990-wheel-upgrade/#findComment-223194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomastractorsvc Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 when you upgrade buy some of theses so you don't get the vibration problem of off center wheelshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVMffpydv_0They are a little pricey I think but everyone I talk to say they are worth the money and don't have to worry about the tire man not getting it right. Different manufactures out there so you can shop a little Quote Robert"I reject your reality and substitute my own." Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33990-wheel-upgrade/#findComment-223197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAD DOG Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 I'm going to have to take a look on my front hubs. Pretty sure my front hubs the centre of the rim rides on a solid ring in the centre.I want to put a wider set of aluminum rims and a set of 365/65x22.5 steering tires on someday and it's a lot easier to find hub pilots than stud pilots whether you're looking at new or used. I bought new Accuride aluminum rims for my drives in the spring for $225 each brand new. For that price I couldn't bother with used ones everyone wanted $200 for used around here. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/33990-wheel-upgrade/#findComment-223207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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