whitegold Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 so, started Christmas day the head gasket blew, took it to the shop, they finally got it in last night... so im already pretty hot about that, then today I go to see progress and I see catastrophy... fire rings are wore out of BOTH heads and there is 2 liners that are wore out where the head sits too, mechanic says all the liners should be replaced @ $200 a piece, and rings @ $160 a piece and 2 heads @ $1300 a piece.... what now? I was told it had a fresh overhaul 60000 miles ago, should I try to find a new engine? and where? or can I get used heads? again, where? help please. Quote THE MILKMAN DID IT..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack mhe9 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Maybe a mack in frame then you you have a fresh eng with a warranty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdog Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 That fresh "overhaul" most likely meant the slipped in new bearings.I'm with Ray,in frame it.Then you know what you have. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitegold Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 mack has to do that for a warranty tho right? its not at a mack shop. should I get reman heads or find used and get rebuilt? Quote THE MILKMAN DID IT..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theakerstwo Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Don't try to use used parts.And if you do don't forget that you was told its not worth it. 1 Quote glenn akers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKS Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 As stated above as long as the crank and cam is good I would do an in frame rebuild, I've always used reman heads with no problem but you do have to give them a good core.1300 a head is for what, new with no core, it's been a while but that number sounds crazy!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearhead204 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 something amuck here 60,000 since in frame and fire rings are gone? also liners /head worn? is eng deck screwed? were heads not properly torqued? did they not resurface or replace heads at overhaul? id contact last owner and ask for some receipts so you can figure out what happened ,because if you cant put your finger on the problem you best get that truck to a trusted, warrantable shop or your wallet might get lighter yet that's my .02 worth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAD DOG Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I'd do an infrme on it then you know what you have. Nothing wrong with remaned heads,$1300 sounds about right for price for them. If the rest of the truck is good and you run it on a daily basis you should be able to justify the cost of rebuilding the motor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakebrake86 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Just curious, but everyone around here usually just takes their heads to the Napa machine shop, and they check them out and rework whatever they need for a few hundred bucks a piece. I haven't had to do it yet, but that's what I planned on doing. Is that a good idea? I've never heard of anybody having any trouble after going the machine shop route. 2 Quote Jake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Trouble-free Mack factory-remanufactured cylinder heads are a very wise investment. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitegold Posted January 8, 2014 Author Share Posted January 8, 2014 well, mechanic said all the bearings look good and so do the cylinder walls and pistons. thinkin ill just get 2 reman mack heads and replace the 2 sleeves that are bad and make sure theyre decked the same, and put all new head bolts in. also the exhaust manifold is cracked and since I came this far to make it run I might as well go a lil deeper into the pocket to make it pull (mostly wanna eventually walk around my dads 550 cat) do they make aftermarket exhaust manifold and turbo set? and injectors? thanks. Quote THE MILKMAN DID IT..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felicello122 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 You will not get around the 550 cat, in frame juice it up, and make sure your pyro is working, it's a strong motor when set up rite. It just doesn't put out enough torque to get around 1850 plus lbs coming from a STOCK 550 cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post j hancock Posted January 8, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2014 Spend your money on making it dependable with good quality parts.Don't worry about walking away from anyone because they are going to be jealous of you being in a reliable Mack Superliner getting the job done on a daily basis. 6 Quote JimIt doesn't cost anything to pay attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAD DOG Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Jake break 86 I've done the machine shop route with Mack heads before too as long as your machine shop has the cutter to cut the fire rings it can be done for about a 1/4 of the price of Mack remaned heads and your heads haven't been machined too much before. The last E9 I inframed about 8 or 9 years ago I priced remaned heads from Mack and Northwest Truck and both were around. $1500 per head x 4 heads so I took them to a Machine shop locally that I had faith in and he checked them all out 1 was like new so he ground the valves and seats and the other 3 needed some guides and some valves replaced. I think I only had about $1800 in redoing all 4 and they worked fine so if you have a good set of heads to redo I wouldn't be afraid of going that rout either. I just wouldn't slap an old set of used heads on a fresh in frame like he's been talking about without having them checked out at the machine shop first. If he has to buy a couple used heads in order to redo them remand ones might be the way to go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAD DOG Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Yeah Whitegold if you'll get the last laugh in the end because your Mack is better on fuel than that 550 Cat plus it way cheaper easier and more reliable and if you treat it right and look after it it will be around long after that 550 Cat is history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsb502 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I agree with the inframe idea, you would be good for along while after that. I'd get reman heads, then call Antrim diesel for a set of injectors and turbo. Antrim supposedly has an E7 running 650hp 1900 ft lb at the wheels getting 6.5mpg. Quote "Any Society that would give up a little LIBERTY to gain a little SECURITY will Deserve Neither and LOSE BOTH" -Benjamin Franklin"If your gonna be STUPID, you gotta be TOUGH" "You cant always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you get what you need" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Superdog Posted January 8, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2014 True story. About six weeks ago I loaded hogs up north going to Beardstown,IL. I got passed twice by the same big Cat powered ,long hooded red oval nitemare,with 8 in. pipes,300 " wb,chicken lites all over,driver sitting on the floor,you know the type. I still backed into the chute at the packing house 5 minutes ahead of him. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitegold Posted January 8, 2014 Author Share Posted January 8, 2014 okay, well I want it done right, I haul milk so reliability is needed. in frame it is. so do they make a different exhaust manifold? mine has a 3 piece on it now, are they problems? its cracked right where it y into the turbo on the block side.I agree with the inframe idea, you would be good for along while after that. I'd get reman heads, then call Antrim diesel for a set of injectors and turbo. Antrim supposedly has an E7 running 650hp 1900 ft lb at the wheels getting 6.5mpg.antrim diesel in greencastle pa? I was getting 5.5mpg and considerin I run the hydrolics most the day, and start and stop about 100 times a day I thought that was alright. just want a few more ponies is all.also I posted awhile ago about putting an 18 speed in it, kinda getting held off for a lil now cuz of low funds but when I do, what model should I get, do they all have the same overdrive? thanks Quote THE MILKMAN DID IT..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vision386 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I hear ya' Mike! I run a pretty steady 70-72 Mph when able to do so,and the same 4-5 trucks will pass me 5-6 times a day! but then I pretty much just keep the right door closed and truck!!!!!!..................................Mark Quote Mack Truck literate. Computer illiterate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack mhe9 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 No after market manifold that I know of. You could get a new one and have jet coated or any other coating. Mack 18's are pretty much the same there are some different rev. ratio models. And if dress up a mack and a W9 I bet more people will ask a out the mack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitegold Posted January 8, 2014 Author Share Posted January 8, 2014 No after market manifold that I know of. You could get a new one and have jet coated or any other coating. Mack 18's are pretty much the same there are some different rev. ratio models. And if dress up a mack and a W9 I bet more people will ask a out the mack.okay, thanks for answerin my question on manifold and transmission. oh im sure they will, I dressed it up some already, just not done yet so didn't post pictures yet. Quote THE MILKMAN DID IT..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitegold Posted January 8, 2014 Author Share Posted January 8, 2014 No after market manifold that I know of. You could get a new one and have jet coated or any other coating. Mack 18's are pretty much the same there are some different rev. ratio models. And if dress up a mack and a W9 I bet more people will ask a out the mack.okay, thanks for answerin my question on manifold and transmission. oh im sure they will, I dressed it up some already, just not done yet so didn't post pictures yet. Quote THE MILKMAN DID IT..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumperAndSon Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Wait a minute, wait a minute, WAIT JUST A MINUTE. I have the solution: Pull that worn out 4 stroke outta there. Go buy yourself a brand spankin new, government surplus, 550 HP 8V92TA for $3500 and drop it in there and you'll be good to go Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post j hancock Posted January 8, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2014 Where the hell is my Pepto Bismol...? 4 Quote JimIt doesn't cost anything to pay attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitegold Posted January 8, 2014 Author Share Posted January 8, 2014 Where the hell is my Pepto Bismol...?agreed Quote THE MILKMAN DID IT..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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