Popular Post Whiskymack Posted January 27, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2014 This beauty from the 1978 Mack Western brochure is the subject of my latest model project and I was hoping someone could help me with spes.I've heard that the gold bulldog denotes Mack only drivetrain. I was thinking perhaps a 300 plus motor and a 9 or 12 speed transmission because I can see two sticks but I'm no expert so help would be appreciated. 4 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/34433-78-promo-valueliner-specs/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdog Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 That's the 2 stick 6 speed,so it would have had the ENDT676 Maxidyne. In '78 these would have still been painted gold. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/34433-78-promo-valueliner-specs/#findComment-229070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskymack Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share Posted January 28, 2014 That's the 2 stick 6 speed,so it would have had the ENDT676 Maxidyne. In '78 these would have still been painted gold.Thankyou for the info. Is that the TRXL 107? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/34433-78-promo-valueliner-specs/#findComment-229188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdog Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 should be Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/34433-78-promo-valueliner-specs/#findComment-229195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
57 bcr Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Local guy had a RS700 dump he painted that way. Mike ,it was an old McAnnich (out of Des Moines) lowboy tractor at one time. Had a 375 in it.Somebody put a 300 in it.He bought it already converted to a dump truck in '85 from Twin Bridges. I'll have to dig up some pics of it. Its pretty rough now,but he won't part with it. Quote IF YOU BOUGHT IT, A TRUCK BROUGHT IT..AND WHEN YOU'RE DONE WITH IT, A TRUCK WILL HAUL IT AWAY!!! Big John Trimble,WRVA Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/34433-78-promo-valueliner-specs/#findComment-229200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
j hancock Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 I would be waiting in line if that truck was made available again today. Quote JimIt doesn't cost anything to pay attention. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/34433-78-promo-valueliner-specs/#findComment-229203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
57 bcr Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 No kiddin',Jim. What a versatile spec truck. From a lightweight fuel hauler to a heavy mixer chassis,the Value-Liner could be built accordingly. Probably a victim of the horsepower race & the CH was coming in too. Quote IF YOU BOUGHT IT, A TRUCK BROUGHT IT..AND WHEN YOU'RE DONE WITH IT, A TRUCK WILL HAUL IT AWAY!!! Big John Trimble,WRVA Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/34433-78-promo-valueliner-specs/#findComment-229205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearhead204 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 a 1986 value liner was the first mack I ever drove e6 350 with a mack 12 speed and a 12 yd.box solid ol'e truck 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/34433-78-promo-valueliner-specs/#findComment-229319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Dash Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Was there a practical reason for the raised section on the top of the hood? Quote Jim Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/34433-78-promo-valueliner-specs/#findComment-230002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry T Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I had a calendar from 1978 that had the three "liners" in it in this paint scheme and the January picture had all three, The Cruiserliner, Superliner & Valueliner lined up. I loved that pic! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/34433-78-promo-valueliner-specs/#findComment-230005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vision386 Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Jim,i been told the rib in the hood was for added strength,against flexing and bad roads,but I don't know how true that is..................................Mark 1 Quote Mack Truck literate. Computer illiterate. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/34433-78-promo-valueliner-specs/#findComment-230042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleclutchinweasel Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 This beauty from the 1978 Mack Western brochure is the subject of my latest model project and I was hoping someone could help me with spes.I've heard that the gold bulldog denotes Mack only drivetrain. I was thinking perhaps a 300 plus motor and a 9 or 12 speed transmission because I can see two sticks but I'm no expert so help would be appreciated.The gold dog in those days meant the truck had a Maxidyne engine. A chrome dog meant either a Thermodyne or a non-Mack engine, like a Cummins. Somewhere along the line, Maxidynes became "EM" and Thermodynes became "E".I drove a couple of earlier R-models with the 6-speed 2-stick trans. The 107 was direct in high. The 1070 was overdrive in high. Nicest thing about that box was that you had 5 reverse gears. Super nice when trying to back up out of a muddy spot! After growing up on Quadruplexes, it took some getting used to!There was one of these for sale in Charlotte a while back. Had a Cummins & an 18-speed Fuller. A Ford-Hendrickson air ride rear frame was grafted on just behind the cab. Does that make it a McFord? Quote "Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines." Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/34433-78-promo-valueliner-specs/#findComment-230050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Dash Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Jim,i been told the rib in the hood was for added strength,against flexing and bad roads,but I don't know how true that is..................................MarkI'll buy that. Quote Jim Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/34433-78-promo-valueliner-specs/#findComment-230245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
countryboy5487 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 The gold dog in those days meant the truck had a Maxidyne engine. A chrome dog meant either a Thermodyne or a non-Mack engine, like a Cummins. Somewhere along the line, Maxidynes became "EM" and Thermodynes became "E".I drove a couple of earlier R-models with the 6-speed 2-stick trans. The 107 was direct in high. The 1070 was overdrive in high. Nicest thing about that box was that you had 5 reverse gears. Super nice when trying to back up out of a muddy spot! After growing up on Quadruplexes, it took some getting used to!There was one of these for sale in Charlotte a while back. Had a Cummins & an 18-speed Fuller. A Ford-Hendrickson air ride rear frame was grafted on just behind the cab. Does that make it a McFord?I always thought that the gold dog was full mack drive train engine trans rrears on camel backs. My 77 dm has all mack running gear, but has solid walking beams (from being a mixer) and it has a chrome dog Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/34433-78-promo-valueliner-specs/#findComment-230487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdog Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 was your DM a glider kit? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/34433-78-promo-valueliner-specs/#findComment-230513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleclutchinweasel Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I always thought that the gold dog was full mack drive train engine trans rrears on camel backs. My 77 dm has all mack running gear, but has solid walking beams (from being a mixer) and it has a chrome dogThe gold dog was an indication of a Maxidyne engine...which was also painted gold. See the connection?The late 60s - early 70s R611ST I drove in my youth had an ENDT-673C Mack engine, a TRQ-7220 (or 7210?) Mack transmission, Mack axles, a Mack camel back suspension...and a chrome dog (on hood and doors). That truck was as "all-Mack" as it could get, and had nothing gold on it anywhere. There were dozens of copies of this same truck around home...all Mack, all chrome.We had another early 70s tractor on the lot...an R685ST...which was the exact same axles, springs, and everything, but which had a gold dog (on hood and doors). This one had the ENDT-675 Maxidyne with the 6-speed Maxitorque transmission. First time I ever saw a gold dog. Saw several afterwards...all with Maxidynes in them.The '70 R611ST I have now has the same ENDT-673C Mack engine, a factory RTF-915 Eaton-Fuller Roadranger transmission, Mack axles, a Mack inverted camel back suspension...and a chrome dog (on doors...the hood ornament is new).I couldn't tell you if the dog color changed in meaning somewhere down the road...or at what point the gold dog disappeared. But, in the "good old days", the gold dog simply meant Maxidyne...that's all.I think I have a book around here somewhere that mentions it as well. I'll see if i can find it.Thus sayeth The Weasel... Quote "Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines." Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/34433-78-promo-valueliner-specs/#findComment-230524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleclutchinweasel Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Yep. Here it is. Looked all over the house before I realized I was sittin' on it!Sorry for the less-than-perfect pictures. But, I think you can see them okay.These are from a book called "Mack, Driven for a Century". Quote "Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines." Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/34433-78-promo-valueliner-specs/#findComment-230528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdog Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 The gold Bulldog was placed on all Macks with the Maxidyne engine when it was introduced in '66. The engines were painted gold and remained that way until sometime in late '79 when Mack had to quit using the gold paint,the engines were then painted a sick orange for about a year or so,then,when the Econodyne engines were introduced,all engines were painted blue.from 'sometime in '81 on,the gold Bulldog was no more,all were chrome again until it was brought back to the hood of the CH and CL Elite package in about '93.. then a couple years later in was decided to bring the gold Bulldog back to all Mack powertrain spec'd trucks.. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/34433-78-promo-valueliner-specs/#findComment-230529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleclutchinweasel Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 The gold Bulldog was placed on all Macks with the Maxidyne engine when it was introduced in '66. The engines were painted gold and remained that way until sometime in late '79 when Mack had to quit using the gold paint,the engines were then painted a sick orange for about a year or so,then,when the Econodyne engines were introduced,all engines were painted blue.from 'sometime in '81 on,the gold Bulldog was no more,all were chrome again until it was brought back to the hood of the CH and CL Elite package in about '93.. then a couple years later in was decided to bring the gold Bulldog back to all Mack powertrain spec'd trucks..Thanks, 'Dog! I thought I was on target on the older stuff. It's the newer stuff I don't know st about! Quote "Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines." Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/34433-78-promo-valueliner-specs/#findComment-230530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdog Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Main reason I remember the change was Dad's '80 Cruiseliner had the nasty orange engine,but still had a gold Bulldog. The last batch of Cruiseliners Grandpa drove back from Hayward were '81's,Maxidyne engines painted blue and chrome Bulldogs. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/34433-78-promo-valueliner-specs/#findComment-230533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog13407 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 was that nasty orange color the same one Mack used on the 300+ Mike? or was that more of a copper color? id like to find an original pic of a 300+ so I can paint mine the correct color. right now its been rebuilt and has a gold bell housing, orange heads and gold/gray block. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/34433-78-promo-valueliner-specs/#findComment-230605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
57 bcr Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 My '79 300+ was copper colored head to toe,Matt. Quote IF YOU BOUGHT IT, A TRUCK BROUGHT IT..AND WHEN YOU'RE DONE WITH IT, A TRUCK WILL HAUL IT AWAY!!! Big John Trimble,WRVA Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/34433-78-promo-valueliner-specs/#findComment-230607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdog Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 yes,they were a nice copper color, I might have a brochure for one somewhere. I'll never forget when H&L Mack let us have one to demonstrate for a week. It was a plain jane R model,white with spoke wheels. We had F models at the time so it was kinda cool to ride in something with a hood. Dad thought is was OK,but didn't pull like his V8. Grandpa didn't like it,had to shift twice as much. I don't think there was anybody that loved the Maxidyne,5 speed combo more than my Grandpa did. 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/34433-78-promo-valueliner-specs/#findComment-230608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vision386 Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Mike,my Grandad was the same way! when we bought the F-Model (300 - 10 speed) he said "what'ya' need all them damn gears for"? Pop LOVED the 237-5 speed! LOL!..........................Mark Quote Mack Truck literate. Computer illiterate. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/34433-78-promo-valueliner-specs/#findComment-230749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff M Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 I'm glad you fellows posted the info about the gold bulldogs, because from driving Macks in the early to mid 70's I remember well that the gold bulldogs indicated a Maxidyne engine. This shows that my memory hasn't entirely failed me....yet. :-) Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/34433-78-promo-valueliner-specs/#findComment-231032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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