Why ?

[Superdog]

As usual, I'm doing my quarterly IFTA report at the last minute. My '88 Superliner avg. mpg was 5.89 . The '07 Rawhide my son drives was 4.44 mpg. I gave $63k for my son's truck. By the time I got my little Superpup painted, I had just over $8k in it. I spent right at $10k in repairs on the '07 in 2013 . I blew a 25 year old airbag on the '88 last year ,less than $200. That was it ! I'm done with the 21st century and it's improvements in truck efficiency and technology . Time to start work on another Superliner for the kid before I can't afford to truck anymore.

[Timothy Maikshilo]

Mike I don't know much about the new trucks but believe do to the emission stuff now a days they get crap for mileage. I've always thought if I was to go back to hauling I'd rebuild an old R or RW and be ahead of the game. Fuelfull01 is proof to this. He and his brother run all older Superliner and R models Can't beat the 350 mech!

[Bigdogtrucker]

I just don't understand why anyone who has money for a new truck wouldn't put that same money into a restored older tuck and work it???And yes I've driven trucks from the "50's-2007 for work in the last 15 years...

[rsb502]

How the hell is he getting 4mpg, my old CH midroof with 3.86 rears and lowpros still gets 6.8 with its new owner. I checked the mileage on the RW on my last show trip, mind you I was bobtailing but I got 14mpg, not bad for a 998cu in V8 from 1985.

[Superdog]

The key word in what you said is "old'. I used to get 6+ regularly with my '99 CH condo,427 Etech,13 speed with 3:70's doing the same thing. He has gotten as good as 5.1 but that's it.There is another guy running a '07 Rawhide that runs with us and his mileage is worse than Mikey's but he is still running a muffler. Pretty hard to get fuel mileage and performance out of an engine when your forcing it to eat it's own exhaust. My Dad's '10 MP8 does a little better,but its not great.

[slpwlker]

Hell my 98 Cat dragging big loads is getting 3.5 to 4.4 loaded and that is tooling down the road at 65mph. over 5 if I slow down and over 6 empty cruising

[Marcel67]

I got 5.4 MPG on my trip from castle rock co to miami fl. 2200 mile run bob tailing.

[ws721]

5.4? wow. My old cruiesliner with the E9 gets @ 6.1 pulling a dropdeck. And like Superdog states, NO TRUCK PAYMENTS

[Marcel67]

5.4? wow. My old cruiesliner with the E9 gets @ 6.1 pulling a dropdeck. And like Superdog states, NO TRUCK PAYMENTS

It should be better now since we serviced the engine. Yes fall in the same category no payments.

[ws721]

I do like your MH. Sharp looking ride

[Marcel67]

I do like your MH. Sharp looking ride

Thanks getting the frame painted soon. Will post pictures

[PeterMack]

These newer trucks are crap no matter what brand. I'm in an 07 Pete with a C-15 pre-emissions truck and have very little

trouble with it. A few repairs here and there for a couple hundred bucks and that's about it. Yet we have a 2012 Mack,

two 09 Pete's with Cummins and an 09 Pete with a C-13 Emissions Cat and the buzzers and check engine lights are

on in these trucks every week. You need a full time guy from the Geek Squad on hand with a computer just to keep them

running. Plus I'm getting 5.5 to 6.5 mpg's. The others are getting 4.5 to 5.5. Never understood how these new trucks can

burn more but somehow be cleaner. Seems like if your getting better fuel mileage thats half the battle right there, and

if the truck is easy to work on and cost of ownership is low its a win win. Anybody ever get behind one of these "emissions"

trucks when they are purging? OMG its enough to gag a maggot. Make your eyes water, but somehow that's better.

[gearhead204]

I thought all this talk about a carbon foot print kinda made sense (a pound burned is just that a pound burned) then the goofy bastards said that it was burned too dirty so now we must burn more to burn clean. how does this help? now we add urea to the exhaust plus raw fuel and burn at temps that a creamatorium would use to cremate a body. and this is helpful how? do they know how many fires this high exhaust temp have started and how many pounds of carbon were burnt and put into the atmosphere all in the name of air pollution. kinda like wiping your ass with a hoop there's no end to it

[Mike]

LOL.........by far that was a good one.

mike

[David]

I'll just keep rebuilding my mechanical E6's until there's nothing left to rebuild.

[57 bcr]

Why,you ask?..........Cause it looks good on paper !!! Just wait 'til these commies tell you that you can't run old trucks anymore. Its happening in Cullyfornia,already! Its only a matter of time,sad to say. Remember,they're from the government,they're here to help.......NOT!! sorry,my .02

[other dog]

These newer trucks a crap no matter what brand. I'm in an 07 Pete with a C-15 pre-emissions truck and have very little

trouble with it. A few repairs here and there for a couple hundred bucks and that's about it. Yet we have a 2012 Mack,

two 09 Pete's with Cummins and an 09 Pete with a C-13 Emissions Cat and the buzzers and check engine lights are

on in these trucks every week. You need a full time guy from the Geek Squad on hand with a computer just to keep them

running. Plus I'm getting 5.5 to 6.5 mpg's. The others are getting 4.5 to 5.5. Never understood how these new trucks can

burn more but somehow be cleaner. Seems like if your getting better fuel mileage thats half the battle right there, and

if the truck is easy to work on and cost of ownership is low its a win win. Anybody ever get behind one of these "emissions"

trucks when they are purging? OMG its enough to gag a maggot. Make your eyes water, but somehow that's better.

You're right about that. We have a yard full of trucks with engine lights on, Paccars, Detroits, Maxforces, Cummins- it doesn't matter any more. Jeff Moore finally said he wishes he had kept the 2000 model W900L I used to drive for him and rebuilt it. It had an N14 525 in it with a 13 spd. and 3.70 rears, and there was nothing wrong with it when he traded it for that '06 Peterbilt. I got somewhere around 6 mpg. with it, got about 5 in the Pete with a C15 and 3.55 rears, now I get 5.9 with the Paccar but I have about 100 less horsepower and 3.36 rears. It's a good flat ground truck, but unfortunately I stay in the hills of Va, W.V, Oh, and western Pa. most of the time with heavy loads of steel and lumber.

[maxidyne237]

Just think about how much more fuel tax revenue they get from trucks that get far less fuel mileage.

[Superdog]

especially the great state of Illinois with their 43 cent/gal tax, Iowa is only 22.5 cents.

[57 bcr]

.....Sorry Mike, WE OUR GOVERNMENT NEEDS THE MONEY!!

[mack mhe9]

And like I say it pisses me off they take our money, and it pisses me off even more when they waste it then say they want more to fix the problem. Take my money fix the road and stop giving it to city transit. And if there in gov. there all at fault.