Chris Clements Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 need help.buying first truck to haul belly dump.found a great deal on a 2005 cxn613, e7 380,6sp. but i dont think this is quiet enough to get it done. want a 13sp with more hp but my question is will this do it.thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezrider Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 i hauled belly and side dump with a 350hp 11.1L Detroit and a 9 with speed and 3.73 rears for a long time, it was slow but got the job done and was less than a pleasure to drive 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlotpilot Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 need help.buying first truck to haul belly dump.found a great deal on a 2005 cxn613, e7 380,6sp. but i dont think this is quiet enough to get it done. want a 13sp with more hp but my question is will this do it.thanksof course it`ll do the job just not as fast as some 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Clements Posted December 21, 2014 Author Share Posted December 21, 2014 thanx i appreciate the help.what im afraid of is spending too much on fuel and hauling less loads.will loose out on too much money.or really idk.i also looking at 05 mack chn613 13 speeds also.but wasnt sure if it was going to be that much of a difference in loss of money.its big decision for me.what do yall recommend and thanks again everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 80 thousand pound loads go for atleast the 460....good luck...and welcome aboard...bob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezrider Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 if the question is will the truck get the job done, yes. if the question is should that be the truck you get, its not the specs i would buy for that work 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Clements Posted December 21, 2014 Author Share Posted December 21, 2014 im looking at chn613 13 speed 427hp as well.lppks like i need to go more that way is what im learning.thanks to everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamsterGrrrl Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 380 horsepower is enough, presuming you won't be grossing over 80,000 pounds. But the 6 speed transmission will be fine on the highway, but won't have a low enough first gear for off road start ability on steep uphills. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearhead204 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 I would look for heaver rears and drive train components and 400-480 hp. with at least a rear locker, do you need this to belly dump....well no but, the heaver spec trucks generally stayed in the field longer. Also if you wanted in the future to dump truck you could set it up to quick change. just my thoughts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezrider Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 my mack is a cx613 e7 460 with a Eaton fuller 13 and 3:70 rears i pull belly and side dumps with it and on 7 axles 96k gross. it does pretty good. its no 6 1/4 cat but its pretty easy on fuel and pulls decent, im pretty happy with it. my other truck with 350 hp didn't pull as well at 88k as this one does at 96k the 13 has a much lower 1st than the road ranger 9 in my other truck witch helps a lot as well. lockers are a big plus heavier rears are a big plus i don't see a need for double frames though for dump trailer work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtymilkman Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 We've never ran anything heavier than a ch with 12f 40r and 4.11 gears. E7 350 and 9speed. Make.sure you have a low first gear. My one driver always laughed at guys that would always be in a hurry, they'd pass other guys or always be first in line. But at the end of the day everyone had the same hours in. We're paid by the hour with the clock starting the minute you get loaded. And with the macks we'd usually use about 10 gallons less fuel a day than everyone else. Also, the 380 you are looking at has as much torque as the 427's. If the right guy is driving it he will keep up with anyone. But I do stress, get a low first gear! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullhusk Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Funny how back in the 80's most guys pullin out a the Jersey pits into Long Island at night with well over 100,000 gross used R's with EM-6 300 6 speeds with 4.17 rears on 24.5 rubber (pullin some big hills like 280 in W-Orange 6% pluss and Jug Town on the 78 side) and they did it all day every day! I had the same spec. but pulled 80,000 and did OK, we did put the fuel to them cause you had toBULLHUSK 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlotpilot Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 (not to try to top any one) I have pulled many loads of concrete sand with 40 tons in the bucket of an old 33 ft fruehauf bath tub with 6 foot sides all at night from thornburg va to manasas va with an old 58 diamond T with a spiced up nhe 195 cummins and an R-96 roadranger was a little slow in places but it got the job done 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsb502 Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 If its got a 6 speed Allison that's a pretty damn good setup for dump work. As everyone else has said, you need a low first gear or a torque converter. I talked to someone on here that ran a dump trailer around chicago, had a granite with a 14,600# steer, 44,000# rears, 427 and an Allison 6 speed, said they loved and never had issues off road like the guys with the Pete's and kws. 1 Quote "Any Society that would give up a little LIBERTY to gain a little SECURITY will Deserve Neither and LOSE BOTH" -Benjamin Franklin"If your gonna be STUPID, you gotta be TOUGH" "You cant always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you get what you need" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtymilkman Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 The Allison is awesome for milling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bts-4120 Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 something tells me its more like bulk hauler specs 380 with a single stick 6spd. which depending on the rear ratio isn't totally bad just kind takes you back to the 5 spd and 3.87 gears and 300 mack days 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Clements Posted December 26, 2014 Author Share Posted December 26, 2014 ratio 3.86 i think everything will be fine thanks to you guys.live in west texas, flat land no hills.its all local with round 100 mile radius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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