mcotter Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Just bought a 2002 cl713 has gold dog on hood and on the side of the hood it has elite CL in gold poss other areas with gold Plating. Is this something special? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38273-gold-dog/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterwelder Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Gold dog is all Mack componets, motor trans drivetrain. Any pics? 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38273-gold-dog/#findComment-272676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcotter Posted January 1, 2015 Author Share Posted January 1, 2015 Not yet, haven't gotten it home as dealer is putting on PTO and pump. Motor is mack trans is Eaton fuller and rears are poss rockwell. They are checking on that. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38273-gold-dog/#findComment-272677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterwelder Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 Wow, I always thought gold dog was indicative of all Mack components. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38273-gold-dog/#findComment-272681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcotter Posted January 1, 2015 Author Share Posted January 1, 2015 (edited) That's what I was always led to believe but with all the miss match I thought I would give you guys some food for thought. It does have mack air suspension. Edited January 1, 2015 by mcotter Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38273-gold-dog/#findComment-272684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_martell Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 could have been a gold dog truck from the factory and the (a) previous owner changed some parts out?? Quote Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part.... Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38273-gold-dog/#findComment-272686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcotter Posted January 1, 2015 Author Share Posted January 1, 2015 Will have to dig a little deeper on history. It all looks original to me. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38273-gold-dog/#findComment-272688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Superdog Posted January 1, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 1, 2015 Elite package CL's had gold Bulldogs. 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38273-gold-dog/#findComment-272689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mcotter Posted January 1, 2015 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 1, 2015 This is the only picture I have so far. 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38273-gold-dog/#findComment-272692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenGiant2 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 I remember a few years ago there was a guy in Mi.that had a r700 with a Cummins for sale. He used it to move his drag line. He only ran the truck in good weather and went to Florida in the winter. How many cranes you got. Quote We the unwilling, Lead by the unqualified, are doing the impossible, for the ungrateful. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38273-gold-dog/#findComment-272701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcotter Posted January 1, 2015 Author Share Posted January 1, 2015 I have three koehrings, two 405's and a 440 spanner Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38273-gold-dog/#findComment-272747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 nice,,,good luck with it...bob 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38273-gold-dog/#findComment-272749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsb502 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Superdog got it right, the Elite package came with gold dogs,wood dash, embroidered seats and shifter boot. Quote "Any Society that would give up a little LIBERTY to gain a little SECURITY will Deserve Neither and LOSE BOTH" -Benjamin Franklin"If your gonna be STUPID, you gotta be TOUGH" "You cant always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you get what you need" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38273-gold-dog/#findComment-272815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1958 F.W.D. Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Wow, I always thought gold dog was indicative of all Mack components.NO. This is NOT always the case. There are some exceptions, I cannot recall exactly what they were, but there are cases where gold bulldogs are installed on Mutts. My father's Hayward F-Model had a 300 with a 5 speed and an original Rockwell 2-speed rear and had a gold dog. I will email Harvey Eckert and see what exactly the story is and post it here. Quote TWO STROKES ARE FOR GARDEN TOOLS Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38273-gold-dog/#findComment-272819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Superdog Posted January 2, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2015 Originally the gold Bulldog was for all Maxidyne powered trucks,didn't matter what rear end was. 1 5 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38273-gold-dog/#findComment-272843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 39 Baby Mack Posted January 2, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2015 Mike's rightMaxidyne engine- Maxitorque transmission, gold dogs.The engines and transmissions were even painted gold!Ron 4 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38273-gold-dog/#findComment-272852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmackpaul Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Yep Ron and Mike are right at least thats the way it was out here both with the Maxidyne and the paint colour seeyaPaul Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38273-gold-dog/#findComment-272902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 1958 F.W.D. Posted January 6, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 6, 2015 Superdog and Mini Mack have it. As promised, I emailed Harvey Eckert, who corresponded with Don Schumacker (who many of us know to be the Curator of the Mack Museum and the Archivist) some time ago, and kept the response, which Harvey was kind enough to send back to me:Don writes: "The Mack Bulldog ornament was patented in October 1932. It was released as Part Number 4BF26. In December 1937, it was redrawn and the part number changed to 27RU217. This was a chrome-plated zinc die casting. It did not change until December 1941 when the finish was changed to a painted #775R Mack Gray finish. In September 1944, the finish reverted back to chrome-plating.In September 1947, the part number was raised to 217RU217A; the attaching studs were changed to cast-in female thread brass fasteners. The P1 version was chrome-plated. In June 1967, the 14 karat gold-plated P2 was released. In June 1968, the gold plating was replaced with 14 karat gold alloy.In December 1979, the ornament was redesigned to incorporate shorter ears and tail to make it more friendly when using it as the handle to tip the conventional models’ hoods. The part number was raised to 217RU217B and the patent number was changed from 87931 to 1,387,477. The P1 part was again chrome plated while the P2 finish was “gold flash.” Starting in 1966/1967, the original “gold” ornaments signified that a vehicle featured the Mack Maxidyne engine and Maxitorque transmission. All other Mack trucks used the chrome plated ornaments. Starting with the introduction of the CL Model in 1990, CH and CL vehicles with the high-level interior trim package utilized the gold ornaments.Starting in 2007, the gold ornament indicated that a vehicle had an all-Mack powertrain, i.e., Mack engine, Mack transmission, and Mack axles. This is its current usage. Let me know if we can be of further help. Thanks, Don Schumaker 11 Quote TWO STROKES ARE FOR GARDEN TOOLS Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38273-gold-dog/#findComment-273416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
57 bcr Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Michigan Special specs mcotter, eh? Mich. spec'd/based trucks, do the work of 2 trucks in 80,000lb. states (160,000lb.-gross). My cousin drives a CL in the U.P. similar to that(only his has a 565 Cummins in it) Nice ride,mcotter! Al 1 Quote IF YOU BOUGHT IT, A TRUCK BROUGHT IT..AND WHEN YOU'RE DONE WITH IT, A TRUCK WILL HAUL IT AWAY!!! Big John Trimble,WRVA Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38273-gold-dog/#findComment-273421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcotter Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share Posted January 7, 2015 I'll post some better pics when I get it home Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38273-gold-dog/#findComment-273426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdirondakMack Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Great info on the Gold dog. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38273-gold-dog/#findComment-273429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 39 Baby Mack Posted January 8, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2015 On a further note,All the older dogs are supposed to be duplicates of the soap carving made by Alfred Fellows Masury in 1932.If you look closely at these dogs you will notice that they are not symmetrical.This leads one to believe that the soap carving story is true which I believe it is.If you look straight into his face you will notice that his R.H. eye is higher than his left, turn him around, look at his back hips his right one is cut down lower than his left.Look at him from both sides, notice the flat spots in the middle of the legs on both sides, wide on the right, narrow on the left. His mid section narrow in front wide in the back on the left, just the opposite on the right.Needless to say he's crooked as a copy of the carving would be.As Don stated above they changed the ears and tail in 1979.I like the way he put it, to make it more friendly.The rest of the dog stayed the same, crooked as it should be.Sometime later I was surprised and disgusted to find out that they changed it altogether and that he was no longer crooked but was indeed symmetrical.I don't know exactly when they did this but I first noticed it in the early 90's.Go look at a new one, he is indeed symmetrical.I have no idea why in the world they would do this, but the thought of some young buck noticing it was crooked and thought that it was terrible that their corporate symbol was like that comes to mind!I think before changing it they should've found out why he was the way he was and left well enough alone.It's funny, but at about the same time I found this out the Mack Co. was running an ad in the truck magazines about the "Bulldog"Wish I had one to show, but I don't, maybe someone else on here can find one.The ad had a Bulldog hood ornament superimposed over the Declaration of Independence and the tag line went something like this Yeah it's just a hood ornament like the Declaration of Independence is just a piece of paper!After seeing that I thought to myself well you guys have made it just a hood ornament!They had taken all the history out of the "Bulldog"I'm sure Mr. Masury would not be pleased!Ron 6 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38273-gold-dog/#findComment-273624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick harper Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 anyone can buy a gold dog at the mack house and install. 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38273-gold-dog/#findComment-273632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleclutchinweasel Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 This gold dog thing comes up pretty regularly.I'm glad somebody posted all that detail on dates! Seems like I am constantly having an argument with somebody or another about what the gold dogs meant! Funny thing is, they are usually ALL right...depending on the age of the truck.I'm old, so gold dogs meant Maxidyne power.All that newer stuff is for you younger whipper-snappers!!! Quote "Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines." Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38273-gold-dog/#findComment-273804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Superdog Posted January 10, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2015 Damn I hate to argue with the info Don sent you,but the all Mack component gold Bulldog started way before 2007,I'm certain it was as early as ''95 or 96 but I do know for fact it was that way in '97 as I had a new gold dog '97 CH613,delivered Dec.,1996,E7-427,T2130,and 4:17 Mack rears.Also I didn't think the patent # changed until sometime much later than '79,Newest truck I have to check is my '88 and it still has good old 87931 proudly printed on its chest. 1 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38273-gold-dog/#findComment-273812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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