Ezrider Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I don't know if anyone knows what the book time would be or have a general idea but I am putting a engine in a 2007 ford f-250 superduty 5.4L gasser. I have not quoted a price they just asked if i had time to get it done or not and at the moment i do so they had it taken over to my shop i started on it today. newest ford i have done before was a early 2000's this one seems like there is a lot more that has to come off to get out of the way than normal. most pickups I have done in the past i would have had the engine out and laying on the shop floor by now. so far all i have gotten done on this one is just getting everything out of the way. still have to separate the trans from the motor, motor mounts and drop the ac compressor and exhaust off the motor before its ready to lift out.being that i havent done one quite this new before im not sure how much i should charge for it. something like a late 90's chevy 350 i would probably charge somewhere between 12-15 hours pretty sure i will have a fair bit more time into this one considering iv got about 6.5 in it so far but don't want to over charge due to having to take some time to figure a few things out ect. but don't want to undercharge and cut myself short either.so i guess in short if anyone knows what the book time on this job would be or about how long should be charged for it that would be helpfula few pics to show just how much shit has to come out before you can pull the motor. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38808-labor-hours-engine-swap-2007-f-250/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Maikshilo Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Damn! Major operation! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38808-labor-hours-engine-swap-2007-f-250/#findComment-277652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatcity Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 think it would be easier and quicker to remove cab Quote Success is only a stones throw away.................................................................for a Palestinian Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38808-labor-hours-engine-swap-2007-f-250/#findComment-277654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack mhe9 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Did it to my brother in law 2006 f 150 5.4 triton. I'm not a Ford tech took 3 week ends. Torque converter bolts suck. They want you to get pullers for the power steering pully but I just worked the bolt out on turn at a time and same for the air condition pump. Think I had to drop the front axle a little. Be carefull with the vacum lines for the front hubs if it's a 4 wheel drive. Good luck. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38808-labor-hours-engine-swap-2007-f-250/#findComment-277655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
theakerstwo Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 The ford shop raise the cab to remove the heads. Quote glenn akers Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38808-labor-hours-engine-swap-2007-f-250/#findComment-277656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlotpilot Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 don`t know about ford but gm calls for 30.5 hrs to r&r a 6.5 diesel including change over parts to a short block 30.5 hrs@119.50 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38808-labor-hours-engine-swap-2007-f-250/#findComment-277657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
j hancock Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I can check time with a friend up mine that has done several SD Fords for customers and the quick way is to take the cab off the truck. So much of the newer design puts the engine under the cab, it is tough to pull. 1 Quote JimIt doesn't cost anything to pay attention. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38808-labor-hours-engine-swap-2007-f-250/#findComment-277658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlotpilot Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 ford and dodge both now raise the cab to do major eng. work i`m working on a 98 gm 3500 which should just go to the shredder Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38808-labor-hours-engine-swap-2007-f-250/#findComment-277659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezrider Posted February 6, 2015 Author Share Posted February 6, 2015 cab would definitely have to come off to remove the head with the engine still in the truck. i would have passed on this job all together if it would have been a 6.4. however after pulling the intake manifold it looks like the engine should come out. the engine being set so far back really makes it a pia. its almost like working on a van without a removable dog house.without a lift removing the cab would be a job in itself. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38808-labor-hours-engine-swap-2007-f-250/#findComment-277664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezrider Posted February 6, 2015 Author Share Posted February 6, 2015 Did it to my brother in law 2006 f 150 5.4 triton. I'm not a Ford tech took 3 week ends. Torque converter bolts suck. They want you to get pullers for the power steering pully but I just worked the bolt out on turn at a time and same for the air condition pump. Think I had to drop the front axle a little. Be carefull with the vacum lines for the front hubs if it's a 4 wheel drive. Good luck.post-2708-0-18433000-1380368304_thumb.jpgthis one is the f250 superduty yours appears to be the light duty 250 witch is based off the f-150 chassis. the power stearing pump is already off on this one, someone changed the ps pump at some point becouse one of the bolts was buggerd up and another was missing. but it didn't come off too bad no need to take the pulley off just un bolt it from the motor and tie it back out of the way. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38808-labor-hours-engine-swap-2007-f-250/#findComment-277666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack mhe9 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Yes his had independent front suspension. Yours has a solid axle. Yes I just laid the a/c and power steering aside. electrically it was plug and play. And I got all the bell bolts with the cab still on the frame. Not easy but I did it. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38808-labor-hours-engine-swap-2007-f-250/#findComment-277667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearhead204 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 a friend of mine did a 1/2 ton 2x4 a couple of weeks ago said something about removing the dip stick tube and sliding the motor mount out to get it come out with out hanging up, I didn't see it until he had the eng. swapped so I didn't pay too much attention to his bitching. he got the job for 1k said never again, the other shop wanted 1.2k to do the swap. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38808-labor-hours-engine-swap-2007-f-250/#findComment-277670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog13407 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 yup, the Ford dealers raise the cab up on a lift to remove the engine. saw them doin this this past year to a brand new 6.7 litre when we had out junk 6.0 diesel in the shop for a second round of new injectors and fica module at around $3500. don't think Ford should have ever made a 6.0 but we have been over that before. I don't think what your up to is much different than a diesel tho. major operation. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38808-labor-hours-engine-swap-2007-f-250/#findComment-277676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezrider Posted February 6, 2015 Author Share Posted February 6, 2015 ford has had enough issues i have chevys now. quite a few years ago now i used to do all the mechanic work for a company that had all fords for pickups. all there diesels were 7.3's at the time witch although they have a couple little minor issues with them were dang good engines, they had tons of problems with there gas engines. the trucks were early 2000's witch were not that old at the time. they all liked to blow spark plugs out of the heads. witch you could tap and helicoil once but if the same plug blew out again you pretty much had to replace the head witch was a chore. but doable on that body style. Id hate to have to do that job on this truck im working on now had a few engines go in them as well in them as well. the biggest pia they had was a cube van they had with a v10.my personal truck back then was a 97 ford f250 with a 7.3L was a darn good truck sold it in i think 2009 with 400k miles on it. it was starting to get tired but still ran good and the paint was starting to get quite a few rust bubbles so i figured i best get rid of it while it still looked good and ran good. but thats when everyone was trying to dump all there 6.0's and 7.3's in the newer body style were fetching top dollar so i ended up buying a 2003 gmc 2500hd with the 8.1L and Allison. other than fuel millage not being great its a great truck. only had 80k miles on it when i bought it. then my service truck is a 97 chevy 2500 with a 350. its a good truck but it lost a cyl last year bent push rod so i got a good junk yard pullout and put in it. still have the other motor out of that truck sitting around waiting for me to rebuild it whenever i get motivated to do it. I like ford trucks but them early trition motors put a bad taste in my mouth and i wouldn't want a ford desel newer than a 7.3L. I probably still got a few years before i upgrade my pickup again at witch time i might pull my service bed off the 97 and put it on my 03 and get something else Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38808-labor-hours-engine-swap-2007-f-250/#findComment-277691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
j hancock Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I can check time with a friend up mine that has done several SD Fords for customers and the quick way is to take the cab off the truck. So much of the newer design puts the engine under the cab, it is tough to pull. Depending on gas or diesel and which cab design, he can R and R a SD engine in 13-16 hours. 2 Quote JimIt doesn't cost anything to pay attention. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38808-labor-hours-engine-swap-2007-f-250/#findComment-277746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog13407 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 7.3 was the best diesel ford ever had. I heard they couldn't comply with emissions that's why they quit using that engine and went with their own 6.0 instead of the Navistar 7.3. we still have a 99 f350 at work with a 7.3 and over 350,000 miles on it and the odometer has not worked in 7 years and all its had done is the glow plug harness in the valve cover changed twice. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38808-labor-hours-engine-swap-2007-f-250/#findComment-277766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezrider Posted February 6, 2015 Author Share Posted February 6, 2015 Depending on gas or diesel and which cab design, he can R and R a SD engine in 13-16 hours.thanksi suppose i will probably have to cap my labor at about 16 hours then, ill surly go over that but its kinda expected to take a little longer than it should the first time you do a different model. i only spent about 2 hours on it today parts for a axle on a bucket truck i was working came in today so i had to get that slapped back together. and then the replacement motor for this truck showed up so i had to go get it and take it too my shop and some other running around ate up a lot of today. the motor is just about ready to lift out on the super-duty now. probably a hour or less once i get back to it and the motor will be ready to lift out. got about 8-8.5 in it so far. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38808-labor-hours-engine-swap-2007-f-250/#findComment-277781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezrider Posted February 6, 2015 Author Share Posted February 6, 2015 7.3 was the best diesel ford ever had. I heard they couldn't comply with emissions that's why they quit using that engine and went with their own 6.0 instead of the Navistar 7.3. we still have a 99 f350 at work with a 7.3 and over 350,000 miles on it and the odometer has not worked in 7 years and all its had done is the glow plug harness in the valve cover changed twice.emissions drove the 7.3 out the 6.0 was still a navstar engine. the 6.0 was such a epic failure of a engine that ford sued navstar and went to a in house motor with the 6.4 the 6.4 has some issues too better than the 6.0 but still a bit of a troublesome engine. haven't really messed with any 6.4's much Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38808-labor-hours-engine-swap-2007-f-250/#findComment-277783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
2stacksuperdog Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 From what ive read the 6.0 in Interantional trucks were good motors because they didnt have as much emissions on them. Because superduties are a lower weight class they needed more emissions therefore the problems. 1 Quote Matt Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38808-labor-hours-engine-swap-2007-f-250/#findComment-277787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xdudebrahx Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 That's a 2008-2010 body style truck. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38808-labor-hours-engine-swap-2007-f-250/#findComment-277937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezrider Posted February 8, 2015 Author Share Posted February 8, 2015 manufacture date is 6-07 i think that would be a bit early for a 08 model but i suppose its possible. i will probably need to varify with the owner before too long so i don't end up getting any wrong parts.small win todaygot the engine out after i did that preasure washed down the engine bay and did a general shop clean up ill let it dry off over night maybe over the weekend and then start prepping the new engine to go in. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38808-labor-hours-engine-swap-2007-f-250/#findComment-277963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezrider Posted February 10, 2015 Author Share Posted February 10, 2015 well things went fairly smooth on it today. pulled the intake off the new motor and got it ready to go in then it dropped right in place. only little hickup today was the dip stick tube on the replacement engine was mangled and kinked. so i pulled the dipstick tube off the old engine and then when i went to take the dipstick tube off the new engine it broke off at the block. glad i decided to do that with the engine out of the car rather than wait till i had it in. other than that everything went together pretty good. all the accessory are back on motor is bolted to the trans less torque converter bolts. starters back in still have the exhaust fuel rail and torque converter bolts left then putting the body radiators ect back together at about 14 hours of time put into it so far. i think i can see 16 hours being quite doable after you have done a few of them. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38808-labor-hours-engine-swap-2007-f-250/#findComment-278292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 man im getting tired just looking at it...good luck...bob Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38808-labor-hours-engine-swap-2007-f-250/#findComment-278362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezrider Posted February 11, 2015 Author Share Posted February 11, 2015 18 hours in. ready to fire less fluids. picked up a new oil filter and fluids on my way home should be firing it up not long after i get back at it tomorrow. then assuming all that goes good a little bit of buttoning up some little odds and ends recharging the a/c and it will be done. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38808-labor-hours-engine-swap-2007-f-250/#findComment-278408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezrider Posted February 12, 2015 Author Share Posted February 12, 2015 well maybe the last chapter in this one. fired right up first thing this morning lit off with no installation issues no check engine lights no leaks finished the last few little things. runs good drives good. but the engine they supplied me to put in has a little cam phaser noise. then they bached at my bill even though i gave them a pretty hefty discount off the actual amount of time that i put into it. they thought a engine swap should be $500 umm maybe for a car made in the 80's. ended up dropping a extra 100 off the bill. they supplied the engine so if the engine has a problem its not my problem. i called them about the noise (witch really isn't too bad) as soon as i fired the engine up for the first time had them come over and listen too it and they said to just Finnish putting everything together. told them if they want to put cam phasers in it to bring it back and id give them a break on the labor to do them. all in all they seem happy and said they would drive it for a while and decide if they want to do cam phasers or not. makes me look forward to getting back to making money with the truck in the spring. next project is already pulled in a single axle medium duty dump truck that im sure to do some head scratching on i might post up another thread on that one luckally that one there in no hurry for Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/38808-labor-hours-engine-swap-2007-f-250/#findComment-278559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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