Popular Post 85snowdog Posted April 20, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2015 Rained out today. So I'm spending time on the computer.I came across something interesting on another forum, and thought I would share it here.This is the text copied from the ad, just in case its not readable.BIG AL. is 450 cool running horsepower . low oil temp . low exhaust temp . turbo chargedintercooled . compact 6-cylinder open chamber direct injection diesel.He's two-million mile performance proved . eats grades . hoards fuel.Available now in leading makes of trucks.We paint him Royal Purple because he's special. Two special demo rigs with purple BIG AL engines are criss-crossing the country now.Making truck stops all over. Look for BIG AL . Try him yourself.For full specs, check the truck manufacturers or their dealers.or call (312) 339 - 3300 . or write to Allis-ChalmersEngine Division, Box 563, Harvey, Illinois 60426Drive BIG AL…..he's king !I found a u tube video also . Just a little about it toward the end.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eglqWUkVwykWould the special demo rigs be Freightliners ? Hopefully some experts can add to this. Keith 4 Quote Keith Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/39749-big-al/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Dash Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I did read about an A-C powered Freightliner, possibly a demo, but a few of these also made it into Kenworths. There's a W900 that has been restored and is solid purple in color, IIRC. Some of the A-C equipped trucks came from the factory with purple as the primary color in their paint scheme. Quote Jim Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/39749-big-al/#findComment-287322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladislav Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Keith, how this stuff is modern?Do they do it now or 20 years back?Haven't heard about Allis-Chalmers engines under a truck hood. Quote Никогда не бывает слишком много грузовиков! leversole 11.2012 Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/39749-big-al/#findComment-287323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brocky Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 There is a whole big story on them in the Nov/Dec 2010 issue of the ATHS Wheels of Time.. 844 CI just smaller than a Cummins. Turbocharged, intercooled. Vlad they were in the Late 60's early 70's.. Would out run nything on the road BUT had serious realiability problems and never took off. Quote Brocky Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/39749-big-al/#findComment-287329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freightrain Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 We have a local chapter member with a Freightliner powered with a Big Al. It used to be the truck Johnson stood next to in the picture in the front of WOT. Quote Larry 1959 B61 Liv'n Large...................... Charter member of the "MACK PACK" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/39749-big-al/#findComment-287334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 interesting thanks,,,sounds like they may take off,,,but looks like an old ad from the 60,s are you sure its up to date???bob Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/39749-big-al/#findComment-287335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freightrain Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Yes, it is 70's literature. Quote Larry 1959 B61 Liv'n Large...................... Charter member of the "MACK PACK" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/39749-big-al/#findComment-287339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 thanks,,,thats what i thought looks like an old photo....bob Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/39749-big-al/#findComment-287342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ditchkus Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Another reason they never took of was not a lot of Dealer coverage for repairs and parts.As Brocky said good article in Nov-Dec 2010 WOT. Joe D. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/39749-big-al/#findComment-287346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 41chevy Posted April 20, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2015 This truck on the Nothork of L.I. has the Allis Chalmers 21000 385 in it, a 385 h.p. 1110 pound of torque de-tuned version of the 450 h.p. 25000 series.( Odd turbo set up, Air intake is on the cab end with exhaust out the front. All the 21000 and 25000 series had that set up.) I've been trying to buy it for 8 years. Even though it has no moved in at least a decade there is no negotiation on his price of $12500.00. Someone from the Allis Chalmers club told him it one of one and worth tens of thousands of dollars to a collector. I offered half of what he thinks it is worth. He answer was the longer it sits the more valuable it becomes. The purple K.W.924 that was Big Al powered was restored but there isn't a Allis Big Al in it yet Paul 4 Quote "OPERTUNITY IS MISSED BY MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS DRESSED IN OVERALLS AND LOOKS LIKE WORK" Thomas Edison “Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘Holy shit, what a ride!’” P.T.CHESHIRE Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/39749-big-al/#findComment-287350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ditchkus Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Paul owner must be a used car dealer their saying is " Theres an Ass for every seat" Thanks for the picture and info. Joe D. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/39749-big-al/#findComment-287359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 41chevy Posted April 21, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2015 Paul owner must be a used car dealer their saying is " Theres an Ass for every seat" Thanks for the picture and info. Joe D.Just a Nursery / Landscape Design Co. owner who was told it's rare and valuable, probably by a SUV driving Volvo Hat wearing Wanna be.. . .he will be looking at it til it rusts away, some things do not get better with age. 4 Quote "OPERTUNITY IS MISSED BY MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS DRESSED IN OVERALLS AND LOOKS LIKE WORK" Thomas Edison “Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘Holy shit, what a ride!’” P.T.CHESHIRE Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/39749-big-al/#findComment-287402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 57 bcr Posted April 21, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2015 There were even a few FL models built with the Big Al. What was left of this one was on ebay a few years ago. I guess they were part of the A-C fleet. Rare s,for sure. Al72 FS A-C 475 3.bmp72 FS A-C 475 2.bmp72 FS A-C 475.bmp 3 Quote IF YOU BOUGHT IT, A TRUCK BROUGHT IT..AND WHEN YOU'RE DONE WITH IT, A TRUCK WILL HAUL IT AWAY!!! Big John Trimble,WRVA Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/39749-big-al/#findComment-287403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 41chevy Posted April 21, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2015 These are from the 1969 Truck and Equipment Expo in Chicago. 1969 K.W. and a 1969 Hendrickson. Biggest problem with the AC Big Al series was service. In North America Cummins had 1000 service facilities, MACK 700 plus, Cat had close to 1000 service centers.With the Allis Chalmers 21000 /25000 series road engines you needed to go to an A/C Construction Vehicle center...they had 65 in the U.S.and 11 in Canada.They were ahead of their time. Four valves per cylinder, 3750 PSI at the injectors, Guaranteed to do the speed limit (in 1969) in all the lower 48. 6 plus MPG but almost zero support system There was a Green MACK F-700 sold on Ebay 4 or 5 years ago with an Allis 25000-400 h.p. 12 Quote "OPERTUNITY IS MISSED BY MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS DRESSED IN OVERALLS AND LOOKS LIKE WORK" Thomas Edison “Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘Holy shit, what a ride!’” P.T.CHESHIRE Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/39749-big-al/#findComment-287407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
85snowdog Posted April 21, 2015 Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 Thanks everyone for the pics and info. I had never heard of a BIG AL . I knew you guys could enlighten me. Thanks41 chevy , I absolutely love the A-car ,and the story. I'm with you though, the longer it sits , the less it will be worth to anyone.Hopefully one day you can save it. A great piece of history there.Keith Quote Keith Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/39749-big-al/#findComment-287426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PeterMack Posted April 21, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2015 I took these at the 2011 ATHS show in South Bend IN. I think the truck Freightrain is talking about is to the right of the KW but for somereason I didn't get a picture of it. Funny that these engines were made in Harvey IL because that town is a DUMP! South side of Chicago DUMP! 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/39749-big-al/#findComment-287476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
theakerstwo Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I was working at freightliner when they were installed in freightliner and Kw that I know of.A few was sold around here in freightliners but many of them broke the crank.Many was repower with cummins.Freightliner could do support work on them but problem with was dealers did not want to gear up for training and the network that was required and the tractor equipment dealer could not get the trucks into their shop and probably did not have the training also.I remember a memo coming out for the early engine from freightliner factory stating not to be laying under the oil pan when you take the last bolt out holding it up.Some of the pans were made of cast iron.Some said that they would weigh about 400 lbs so that could mash your stuff if it fell. 1 Quote glenn akers Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/39749-big-al/#findComment-287479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmer52 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Allis-Chalmers bought the Buda Engine Company in 1953. Buda was founded in 1881 and based in Harvey. Quote Ken PRR Country and Charter member of the "Mack Pack" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/39749-big-al/#findComment-287480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdirondakMack Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Very interesting! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/39749-big-al/#findComment-287483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdog Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 There were 22 of the FS729LST AC powered tractors built,one year 1972 only. No other records found on any other AC powered Macks. 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/39749-big-al/#findComment-287497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 41chevy Posted April 22, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2015 I took these at the 2011 ATHS show in South Bend IN. I think the truck Freightrain is talking about is to the right of the KW but for somereason I didn't get a picture of it. Funny that these engines were made in Harvey IL because that town is a DUMP! South side of Chicago DUMP! 5 Quote "OPERTUNITY IS MISSED BY MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS DRESSED IN OVERALLS AND LOOKS LIKE WORK" Thomas Edison “Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘Holy shit, what a ride!’” P.T.CHESHIRE Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/39749-big-al/#findComment-287499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
57 bcr Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I stand corrected. FS's (as Superdog noted) not FL's Al Quote IF YOU BOUGHT IT, A TRUCK BROUGHT IT..AND WHEN YOU'RE DONE WITH IT, A TRUCK WILL HAUL IT AWAY!!! Big John Trimble,WRVA Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/39749-big-al/#findComment-287506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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