1961H67 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 O my ! Im sorry about the engine problem ,, I have had a few Cummins getting coolant in the pan , hopefully when you pull the pan you can add a little pressure while it’s still full of coolant and see were it’s dripping down at ,, I have the same concern about my 220 because even though I was the last to drive it with a load , and it ran great,, it’s been setting since 1990s , I have started it and it’s full of coolant, but I’ve not worked it. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/41547-b-73-restoration/page/51/#findComment-512761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 That’s messed sorry bud hopefully just head gaskits good luck…. Bob Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/41547-b-73-restoration/page/51/#findComment-512941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 67RModel Posted October 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 19, 2022 Reminds me of when I got started into trucking on my own with my own equipment. I resurrected an old 1994 Volvo (WhiteGMC) with a series 60 Detroit. I got it set up to pull pneumatic trailers of frac sand into the Marcellus wells. The previous owner had the engine overhauled some 5-7 years before and parked it. It had like 50 miles on the overhaul from a reputable shop. The rest of the truck was pretty worn out but useable. I got started easy enough with a few small hiccups but nothing major. Probably around the fifth day of running it developed a miss after I had just unloaded and got sent for load #2. Foolish (inexperienced) me went and got that second load and came off the scale at 88,000 pounds. A lot of those sand yards were run by cowboys and would let you leave overweight if they overfilled you especially if you were working the night shift. It was about 30 miles back and every mile it was running worse and worse and the oil pressure was falling. Unfortunately the last 10 miles before my exit was a one lane construction zone with jersey barriers on each side with nowhere to pull over. Engine shutdown light came on. I was able to use the Override button to get far enough to crest the last hill before the exit. Coasted the rest of the way to the off ramp and it shut down down for good. Crankcase was way overfull. I was in a good enough spot that I didn't need to get towed immediately. Spent the night there broke down not knowing exactly what was wrong or how I was going to fix it or if it was even fixable at that point. Got a tow from a friend the next morning back to the shop that did the overhaul. Ended up being the #5 injector malfunctioned and was dumping fuel into the cylinder and getting past the rings into the oil. I dropped the pan and looked into all the liner bores with a flashlight and didn't see any scoring. Filtered the oil/fuel mixture with a sieve and found no metal particles or chunks. I put the pan back on with a new gasket, replaced the bad injector, and went back to work. It gave me another year and a half of trouble free operation. The owner of the shop that overhauled it ended up buying the truck off of me and he put that engine into one of his trucks. To my knowledge its still running like a sewing machine to this day. When I was in that situation that night I fully expected the worst and thought I was finished 5 days after I started. Ended up only costing me a few days of work, a $300 injector, an oil pan gasket and oil. I realize luck was on my side that day and probably should have ended much worse considering how far I drove it with the bad injector. I guess the moral of the story is it doesn't always have to end badly. Hopefully this is one of those times......Below is a picture of the next day when I got towed home. I remember it pretty vividly and just how sick I felt..... I had just eaten breakfast at Bob Evans and was walking back to my broke down truck.....memories lol. 4 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/41547-b-73-restoration/page/51/#findComment-512945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattb73lt Posted October 20, 2022 Author Share Posted October 20, 2022 The jury is still out, but this isn't good. I only drained about 2 1/2 gallons of antifreeze from the radiator and about 15 gallons of grey soupy mess from the pan. I had a piece of o-ring come out while draining it. Eventually got the pan down and found a large quantity of sleeve pieces laying there. I think its at least two different sleeves judging from the color of the o-ring materiel. Still no idea how bad the crank is and now i'm worried about the block having some damage too. Tomorrow I'll continue to dig into it by removing the heads and hopefully the rods/pistons as well. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that both the crank and block will survive, but with these big pieces I'm very skeptical. And it still didn't seem to be skipping when I moved it yesterday. I only ran it long enough to get some air pressure to get the maxi's off and move it at an idle 6 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/41547-b-73-restoration/page/51/#findComment-513057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Oh My......... God save the crank.... and the block.. It's a nice looking truck.. jojo 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/41547-b-73-restoration/page/51/#findComment-513059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mattb73lt Posted October 20, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2022 I may have lucked out with the block. I was just looking up inside and it looks like the lower skirt on the sleeve of #6 fractured and dropped off. Breaking up in the process. Crappy picture as my camera wouldn't focus on it. Everything else is intact. 3 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/41547-b-73-restoration/page/51/#findComment-513061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 👍🍻 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/41547-b-73-restoration/page/51/#findComment-513063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark T Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 41 minutes ago, mattb73lt said: I may have lucked out with the block. I was just looking up inside and it looks like the lower skirt on the sleeve of #6 fractured and dropped off. Breaking up in the process. Crappy picture as my camera wouldn't focus on it. Everything else is intact. Might have been rotted around the groves for the O rings. This isn't looking like an easy fix by any means, but it may not turn out to be much more than basically an "in frame" Hopefully you'll get lucky. 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/41547-b-73-restoration/page/51/#findComment-513066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattb73lt Posted October 20, 2022 Author Share Posted October 20, 2022 20 minutes ago, Mark T said: Might have been rotted around the groves for the O rings. This isn't looking like an easy fix by any means, but it may not turn out to be much more than basically an "in frame" Hopefully you'll get lucky. It needs to come out. I don't trust the sleeves that are left. It needs to be gone through completely and I need to have some confidence in it when I'm far from home. That's where it seemed to have fractured, right around the upper groove for the o-rings. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/41547-b-73-restoration/page/51/#findComment-513067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Forgive me for not knowing, but what engine is in the truck? I thought I saw yellow paint, but.... that may not mean anything.. jojo Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/41547-b-73-restoration/page/51/#findComment-513069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattb73lt Posted October 20, 2022 Author Share Posted October 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, Joey Mack said: Forgive me for not knowing, but what engine is in the truck? I thought I saw yellow paint, but.... that may not mean anything.. jojo It's a Cummins NH220 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/41547-b-73-restoration/page/51/#findComment-513072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Mack Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 ok... 👍 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/41547-b-73-restoration/page/51/#findComment-513074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1961H67 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 I can’t recall seeing that happen before, I have had the top flange break and drop the complete liner, probably all caused by setting for years,,, mine may be the same way. Hopefully just cylinder kits , bearings and gaskets. It’s just a big hassle to pull it having to take care of all the perfect paint. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/41547-b-73-restoration/page/51/#findComment-513077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmackpaul Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Yep pull the rest of the liners, I would but I dunno my ass from elbow Lets try and think what has caused this, crook installation of liners ? Maybe some water was in there and froze ? Maybe some cheap ass liners from Chindia or somewhere No matter, if it happened to one liner there's a fair chance the rest could be the same You can have no destructive crack testing done pretty easy and cheap and you'll know for sure Pretty unlucky for this to happen but also pretty lucky to find it this early when everything is clean and easy to undo Paul Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/41547-b-73-restoration/page/51/#findComment-513079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattb73lt Posted October 20, 2022 Author Share Posted October 20, 2022 13 minutes ago, 1961H67 said: I can’t recall seeing that happen before, I have had the top flange break and drop the complete liner, probably all caused by setting for years,,, mine may be the same way. Hopefully just cylinder kits , bearings and gaskets. It’s just a big hassle to pull it having to take care of all the perfect paint. Yeah, I think it's age and fatigue related. About 4"s of the sleeve broke off. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/41547-b-73-restoration/page/51/#findComment-513080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mattb73lt Posted October 20, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2022 1 minute ago, mrsmackpaul said: Yep pull the rest of the liners, I would but I dunno my ass from elbow Lets try and think what has caused this, crook installation of liners ? Maybe some water was in there and froze ? Maybe some cheap ass liners from Chindia or somewhere No matter, if it happened to one liner there's a fair chance the rest could be the same You can have no destructive crack testing done pretty easy and cheap and you'll know for sure Pretty unlucky for this to happen but also pretty lucky to find it this early when everything is clean and easy to undo Paul I'm pulling it back out. I don't trust what's left in there. 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/41547-b-73-restoration/page/51/#findComment-513082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsmackpaul Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 Just now, mattb73lt said: I'm pulling it back out. I don't trust what's left in there. That would be my plan as well I would know any of the mistakes made are my mistakes not some else's And if I put something a bit dodgy back in I know what it is Good luck with it Paul 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/41547-b-73-restoration/page/51/#findComment-513084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark T Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 It's a project. Point I was trying to make was the block and crank might not be compromised. That milky oil needs to come out of everything too . ( Jake's ) old engines were prone to putting, they didn't have as many products to help prevent it years back. Sitting for years then.... Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/41547-b-73-restoration/page/51/#findComment-513088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattb73lt Posted October 20, 2022 Author Share Posted October 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mark T said: It's a project. Point I was trying to make was the block and crank might not be compromised. That milky oil needs to come out of everything too . ( Jake's ) old engines were prone to putting, they didn't have as many products to help prevent it years back. Sitting for years then.... It all needs to get flushed out and checked. It's always a risk waking up something from a long slumber. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/41547-b-73-restoration/page/51/#findComment-513090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark T Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 The pieces look big, which means less chance they made it through the screen. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/41547-b-73-restoration/page/51/#findComment-513091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattb73lt Posted October 21, 2022 Author Share Posted October 21, 2022 Just now, Mark T said: The pieces look big, which means less chance they made it through the screen. Yeah, don't think the smaller pieces did. I'm going to cut the filter open and check the paper element. We always did that during an aircraft oil change just to mack sure nothing was making metal. 1 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/41547-b-73-restoration/page/51/#findComment-513093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechohaulic Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 the whole situation sucks. there is no such thing as a good time to happen ; but after all the perfection accomplished in the paint and assembly; a single scratch ! 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/41547-b-73-restoration/page/51/#findComment-513100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarnall Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 I’m not trying to rub salt in your wounds. How much will you have to take the truck apart to get the engine out and how will you avoid messing up the paint? I’m no mechanic. I’m sorry for you loss. Thoughts and prayers and all the other dumb stuff that people say. I know you can fix it though. Mike. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/41547-b-73-restoration/page/51/#findComment-513128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattb73lt Posted October 21, 2022 Author Share Posted October 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, yarnall said: I’m not trying to rub salt in your wounds. How much will you have to take the truck apart to get the engine out and how will you avoid messing up the paint? I’m no mechanic. I’m sorry for you loss. Thoughts and prayers and all the other dumb stuff that people say. I know you can fix it though. Mike. I’m going to pull the hood, fenders and radiator off and store them until the engine goes back in.. The rest I’ll leave where it is until it goes back in. All that should go faster than when I was putting it together, as all the fabrication and hardware is there now. The engine will go back into the shop for more work. It’ll need to go out for some work, but I’ll do most of it. I was on the phone and internet a lot today, sourcing parts and services for the rebuild. 2 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/41547-b-73-restoration/page/51/#findComment-513130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowerman Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 best of luck bud,,,,that engine sounded so good,i would have thought probabably like most of us you had a winner there.....bob 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/41547-b-73-restoration/page/51/#findComment-513134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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