A Vlad question - North Korea's ZIL-130s

[kscarbel2]

Vlad, North Korea's ZIL-130 4x2s and ZIL-131 6x6s that we saw in the parade last week appear fairly new. My understanding is ZIL produced them from 1962 to 1994, and then (AMUR) Ural took over production from 1995, designating them UamZ-43140 and AMUR-531340 ??.

Is Ural, now a GAZ Group subsidiary, still producing them today?

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[Vladislav]

Hmmm...

That's an interesting question.

I also watched some parade pictures and found funny to see many vehicles wich I would call "old Soviet trucks".

The main ZIL factory was in Moscow and was located inside the city getting the great piece of area.

The factory had difficult times for the last two decades and was finally bancrupted.

I'm not informed on the economical aspects but the plant itself is closed and being destroyed to build living houses just this past year.

The cab style you can see in the parade pic was produced until about 1994 (like you said) and changed with newer more rectangular cab. That one was originally announced like a new model vehicle with new ZIL diesel engine and so on. That diesel came into production indeed but of very few quantities and the most 4x2 trucks wich were later produced became old-good ZIL-130 just with the newer cab. About that time (or maybe earlier, I missed that point) productrion of ZIL trucks was organized on a new plant somewhere to the East, probably in the Ural rocks area. Ural rocks divide Russia to Europe and Asia. Original reason to build that plant was removing production of military 6x6 ZIL-131 trucks. By the word, ZIL-157, its predesessor was in production until middle 90's. Militaries didn't want to get rid off that model wich was generally designed right after the war. So ZIL 131 was produced on the new plant and ZIL-130 4x2 was still in Moscow. Than some years later it was told it went to Ural either. The trucks produced there had their special look - front fenders off ZIL-131 model. Just the reason of unification. As far as i know that factory was not the same wich produce Ural brand trucks. Not 100% sure though. Knowing that look difference the trucks on the parade pictures can't be newly produced in Russia.

As for Korean trucks after when ZIL-130 came into production its predesessor ZIL-164 (or it's earlier version ZIS-150) was sold (or given by some way of help) to North Korea. They produced those trucks for a while. Probably 6x6 ZIL-157 either. So my meaning on those parade trucks is they are also a licensed product. Too probably produced using old ZIL plant equipment and technology. Some 30's year's American supplied lathes, presses and tools might went there also

I'd say the trucks on the picture look almost copy as a Moscow produced ZIL-130, with stock wooden body and mirrors. Difficult to find so original truck in Russia nowadays.

Interesting point - a friend of mine once told me about some Chinese model trucks in 1:24 (or 1:25?) scale of old after-the-war ZIL's. I opened that site and found out the models were nice. But they were not original ZIL models, those North Korean klones!

If the memory serves old ZIL production was exported not to North Korea only but probably to China and Mongholia. So those Chinese models could be models of old Chinese trucks.

 

 

Edited January 31, 2020 by Vladislav

[kscarbel2]

Thank you Vlad. North Korea probably assembled their trucks from imported SKD or CKD kits (semi-knocked down or completely knocked down).

Nice models of the Chinese CA10, the license-built ZiS-150, which itself was a copy of the International Harvester 2-1/2 ton K-7 (not the 5-ton KR-11) supplied to the Soviet Union during the war under the Lend-Lease Program.

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[Vladislav]

Kscarbel, you are fast on research

I don't think Korean trucks are built from part kits.

Many of those parts are no longer avalible.

As far as I heard (or read) it was a sale of the old production line.

I haven't heard International K8's were supplied to Soviet Union under Lend-Lease.

International M-5-6 tandems were.

Although I'm pretty sure some 1-2 examples were imported by some way to use as prototypes to clone.

You can see some minor differences in the cab's form if look well.

That way I have to note Chenese truck is much more precision done copy

Can't find any differences with ZIS excepting tyre threads and the hood script.

Those early ZIS/ZIL are relatively rare overhere.

There's one for sale at the moment but missed original fenders.

Has them off 6x6 ZIL-157, flat style.

The truck cost cheap and I have to force myself to forget about it from time to time.

Thinking on the matter of finding correct fenders I figure out the most real option is to import a pair off International K8

[kscarbel2]

Vlad, I was in south China for the Streamline launch and saw a retired 4-door CA10 fire truck being used to water the grass at a residential area. And it was all-wheel drive. I looked in the cab and saw it only had around 5,000 kilometers on it.......it was in like-new condition.

[Vladislav]

Was it 4x4 or 6x6 truck?

Zil didn't produce 4x4's those years.

[kscarbel2]

Was it 4x4 or 6x6 truck?

Zil didn't produce 4x4's those years.

Vlad, I'm sorry, thinking about it again, that was a 4-door cab CA30 6x6 (like the truck on the left).

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[Vladislav]

There were many nice looking firetrucks built on that chassis in Russia.

Don't remember seeing any of them down the road though.

 

Edited January 31, 2020 by Vladislav