MACKS Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 The 58k are five inch wide and the 44 are four inch,does anyone make and aftermarket spring that would get this done,thought about asking a spring shop if they could come up with something,any body ever do this? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/42270-change-58k-camel-back-to-44k/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
41chevy Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Couldn't a spring shop (Huntington brake and Spring?) redo your factory spring packs down to 44's? Either by removing the correct leaves or replacing the spring pack with a lighter set? 58000 spring pack is 13 leaves, the 44000 is 10 leaves I see no reason why 3 leaves could not be removed to bring the weight down and improve the ride some. Question is which leaves do you remove? Paul Quote "OPERTUNITY IS MISSED BY MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS DRESSED IN OVERALLS AND LOOKS LIKE WORK" Thomas Edison “Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘Holy shit, what a ride!’” P.T.CHESHIRE Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/42270-change-58k-camel-back-to-44k/#findComment-308211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Would't it matter if he going to load heavy alot of the time or just be a light load now and then? terry Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/42270-change-58k-camel-back-to-44k/#findComment-308220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekennedy21 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I think I would look for a cut off with 44 rears and maybe sell the 58"s. There is a lot of extra metal there to be pulling around if you are not carrying the weight Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/42270-change-58k-camel-back-to-44k/#findComment-308222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKS Posted October 21, 2015 Author Share Posted October 21, 2015 Couldn't a spring shop (Huntington brake and Spring?) redo your factory spring packs down to 44's? Either by removing the correct leaves or replacing the spring pack with a lighter set? 58000 spring pack is 13 leaves, the 44000 is 10 leaves I see no reason why 3 leaves could not be removed to bring the weight down and improve the ride some. Question is which leaves do you remove? PaulMy thoughts exactly,although they would have to remove more than three i would think,the 58 leaves are thicker and wider than the 44,could be done if they could figure out the weight rating,im thinking it would have to be certified to be legal right. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/42270-change-58k-camel-back-to-44k/#findComment-308270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKS Posted October 21, 2015 Author Share Posted October 21, 2015 Would't it matter if he going to load heavy alot of the time or just be a light load now and then? terryI added a 20000 drop axle this past winter for permit reasons so that would not be a issue,the problem now is ridding empty on 58k,kicking my ass for nothing on these crap roads we have around here.. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/42270-change-58k-camel-back-to-44k/#findComment-308272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKS Posted October 21, 2015 Author Share Posted October 21, 2015 Actually I have 10 leaves in my spring pack but they are 5 inches wide and look thicker then the ones on 44k. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/42270-change-58k-camel-back-to-44k/#findComment-308288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekennedy21 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 I really think that removing leafs would create problems. If the truck were ever in an accident and it was found to have been "altered" from design it would be almost certainly be found that the truck was at fault. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/42270-change-58k-camel-back-to-44k/#findComment-308682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekennedy21 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 I don't even know how you would go about having it rated and certified Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/42270-change-58k-camel-back-to-44k/#findComment-308683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKS Posted October 25, 2015 Author Share Posted October 25, 2015 I don't even know how you would go about having it rated and certifiedI have no idea thats why i asked here,thought maybe someone done it,I'm gonna call my spring shop and see what he says just for the hell of it. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/42270-change-58k-camel-back-to-44k/#findComment-308716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b61mack Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 would you notice a difference in the ride running empty between 44s and 58s. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/42270-change-58k-camel-back-to-44k/#findComment-308725 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekennedy21 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 yea, 58's are pretty much like riding a hardtail empty. I just thing putting a 44 tandem on would be the safest bet Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/42270-change-58k-camel-back-to-44k/#findComment-308746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKS Posted October 25, 2015 Author Share Posted October 25, 2015 I don't think safety is an issue,why would it be,heck they make a three leaf 44000 camel back and those springs are only four inches wide,I know a lot of people in down state NY would like to do this since so many are adding drop axles to dumps with 58000 rears to save there overweight permits but yes it would defiantly have to be legal if even possible. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/42270-change-58k-camel-back-to-44k/#findComment-308769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekennedy21 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 ohh trust me, I don't think i would be unsafe by any means. All I am saying is that if the truck was in an accident, your fault or not, the truck police could impound it and find you at fault because they would say the truck shouldn't have been on the road and therefore you are at fault. Its like changing out self adjusting slacks for manual ones. Are the manual ones better and offer more control over the adjustment of your brakes? Yea, but it is illegal. Like I said before, I don't believe you can change the gvw of a truck and if you can, I wouldn't want to assume taking 1, 2,or 3 leafs out of your pack would make it sufficient for 44,000 lbs. At least by changing the tandem out you are installing a "system" engineered for 44k therefore in a way covering your ass Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/42270-change-58k-camel-back-to-44k/#findComment-308794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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