engine rebuild

[Willie dog]

Anyone know where I can get a engine rebuild kit for a 1960B42 six cylinder gas engine?

I haven't torn it apart yet so I don't know what kind of machine work it may need. Just trying to get my ducks in a row first.

[Dieseldriver65]

Unless you have a time machine,believe you're SOL.Maybe time for a re power?

[Willie dog]

Ahhh!!! Don't say that.

What might work as a re-power?

[seyser]

Any of the thermodynes or upgrade to a maxidyne.

[ekennedy21]

I would't say that it would be impossible to get parts to rebuild that. You can get parts to rebuild ab's, ac's, and F model chain drives, so I am sure you can get parts. Matt Pfahl would know where to find them, but he doesn't come on here much anymore. He is restoring an AC for me now, so I talk to him every couple weeks. I will ask him next time we talk and let you know.

[j hancock]

I am not aware of any place that have one kit with everything you might need. After a bunch of phone calls, parts could be sourced to do a rebuild on your gasser depending on what you find inside the motor.

If you are just going to use it in your local area, the gas motor may work for you. If you think you want to drive from VA to Macungie, PA for the truck show, you would probably want to do an upgrade of some sort

[Gmerrill0516]

I like the idea of staying stock. With that said, it is probably difficult to do but is certainly possible. I would reverse your order of operations. Tear is apart and see what you have. You don't know what you will need until you get into it. Does it run now or is it stuck? Big difference. If it runs, a re-ring and new bearings and gaskets may do it. That is assuming the bores are reasonably square still. Too much taper in them and it won't last long...remember too, this is not likely to see 100,000 miles EVER...500 a year...? It need not be perfect internally to last like that for generations. Save the head gaskets as you will need to get a set made (copied) from the originals. All the other stuff you can make yourself. Buy the gasket material, a good set of Exacto knives and a set of hole punches...that with a sharp pencil and a ball peen hammer and you can make all of gaskets you need including rocker cover (if it has one) and oil pan etc.

Bearings can be bought by dimensions as well as rings and even pistons, (if you are lucky). Custom made piston sets are big bucks but if you need them, and want to stay stock, they are available. If you can locate someone who has the books for that stuff, they can cross reference dimensions to find the same part for a different application. Again, it's not easy but is possible. If all you need is rings and bearings and gaskets, it's not hard at all. I just did a ENF707A. I had to bore and sleeve the block, and sourced pistons from a running "C" engine that is an acceptable donor. It can be done....Assuming you want to and willing to dig a little. (That's half the fun!)

What is the situation now with the engine? Thanks and good luck.

Greg

[Willie dog]

Hi Greg.

Thanks for your response. The engine in the b 42 runs as it is. I heard it run in the truck for about 2 minutes.

I'll run a compression test and see what the bearings look like and how much sludge might be in it.

It will be lucky to see 500 miles a year when it's finished.

I would like to locate the external stuff, water pump, carb kit, fuel pump or diaphragm. Things of that sort.

[Gmerrill0516]

No problem. Others might know better on the water pump, fuel pump and carb but if you can't fine them as replacements there are lots of specialists out there who can make that stuff like new as well...Let Google be your friend and look at the industry magazines like Double Clutch or maybe Vintage Truck for vendors. Ask for help here when you get stuck. I'm a rookie compared to many of the guys on here. I know many swear that the local "good" parts guy can get some of this stuff but I have no luck in Mass...blank stares and "Duh what? responses do more to piss me off than encourage me to go back to them again...That said they are not all equal so try your luck and your patience as the case may be.

[Mack458]

When my 707C was rebuilt, I had good luck with Olsons Gaskets in Port Orchard, Washington. No cheap but very good products.

I would get the fuel and water pump rebuilt. Check on the Mack Museum web site as they have a list of parts/service providers for these things.

Mark

[Willie dog]

No problem. Others might know better on the water pump, fuel pump and carb but if you can't fine them as replacements there are lots of specialists out there who can make that stuff like new as well...Let Google be your friend and look at the industry magazines like Double Clutch or maybe Vintage Truck for vendors. Ask for help here when you get stuck. I'm a rookie compared to many of the guys on here. I know many swear that the local "good" parts guy can get some of this stuff but I have no luck in Mass...blank stares and "Duh what? responses do more to piss me off than encourage me to go back to them again...That said they are not all equal so try your luck and your patience as the case may be.

[Willie dog]

I'm looking forward to picking brains of the fellows on here. No one knows ALL the answers, but ALL of us know some of the answers. Put them all together and you get a wealth of knowledge.

As far as chain parts stores go, there have been many times I went behind the counter of my local one and looked up or matched up what I needed for myself.

I went to a tractor dealer parts department to find a simple fuel shut off petcock. I showed it to the man behind the counter and he immediately said "I can't help you with that."

To find an old timer at a parts store is a blessing. They are used to looking in the books and digging a little deeper to find what you need.

[snowmobile02067]

I just rebuilt an EN377 for an A40, yours is very doable. First start looking Ebay there is a lot of NOS parts for it. I used a guy out of New Haven named Pete Nizen from Nizen machine, he found me .020 rings, .020 rods, and .010 mains. He also did a valve job for me on it. I would be lying if I said it was cheap, the rings are made out of a special steel called unobtanium. The head gasket kit is readily available on Ebay. It can be done.

[snowmobile02067]

By the way, Nizen machine does the engine work for Matt Pfahl, and is a very nice guy. There is a carburetor shop I used in Norwood MA called universal auto that rebuilt my carburetor in 2 weeks for $150 bucks. Never even flinched at it, said it is a very common one. Mack was specific on the engine parts, but the carbs had different applications. By the way, what motor do you have in that? The EN 401 is the same as my motor more or less just with a different bore.

[Willie dog]

By the way, Nizen machine does the engine work for Matt Pfahl, and is a very nice guy. There is a carburetor shop I used in Norwood MA called universal auto that rebuilt my carburetor in 2 weeks for $150 bucks. Never even flinched at it, said it is a very common one. Mack was specific on the engine parts, but the carbs had different applications. By the way, what motor do you have in that? The EN 401 is the same as my motor more or less just with a different bore.

[Willie dog]

I honestly don't know what the engine number is yet. I don't have the truck in my possession until Tuesday.

I just know it is a flat head straight six.

[41chevy]

Here is the list of parts supplies and rebuilders and other antique MACK services from the MACK Museum.

http://www.bigmacktrucks.com/MusicVid/partssupplierslisting.pdf

As for fuel pumps and water pumps Try the one listed in the PDF or Arther Gould in Fort Salonga N.Y. I've usewd him alot with no problems.

http://arthurgouldrebuilders.com/

Paul

[thomastractorsvc]

I found this place for gaskets http://www.olsonsgaskets.com/

This what I was quoted

Ref # 1954 Mack EN331
We do carry the engine overhaul gasket set for $537.50
Please see attached list of gaskets we have for this engine.
The head gasket by itself is $187.50
The manifold to block set is $62.50 2pc

[Willie dog]

Thanks to all of you guys for your input and ideas.

[75T]

I have lifters,oil cooler,some carbs,In various conditions, NOS B-42 emblems, plus other stuff. If it helps.

[Willie dog]

Thanks 75t. The truck will be here at my place on Tuesday. Let me dig in to it and see what is what. I'm going to keep you in mind for some stuff.

[fxfymn]

Where in VA are you?

Automotive Manufacturers in Richmond is an excellent re-builder for water pumps, electrical accessories, and brake/clutch re-lining. 2400 N Lombardy St

Richmond, VA 23220, 804-321-6861. White Post restorations near Winchester will sleeve and re-build the wheel cylinders which gives you a life time warranty on them.

While a re-build kit is not available for your engine individual parts will probably not be that difficult to find. Push comes to shove pull it down, measure the part or get a PN and start looking. I am finishing up the re-build of a 1925 AB engine and I have been able to find what I needed with a little creativity. I had valves, valve springs, and keepers made for example.