14 people murdered in California shooting, 17 injured (updated)

[kscarbel2]

Associated Press / December 2, 2015

As many as three attackers armed with rifles opened fire at a holiday party for county employees in San Bernardino, California on Wednesday around 11:00am, murdering 14 people and injuring 17 others (10 of the 17 are in critical condition).

They opened fired for 30 seconds, randomly, then paused to reload and began firing again.

The shooters fled in a rented black Ford Expedition, prompting a huge police response in the area.

About five hours later, the hunt for the suspects continued with a tip taking officers to an apartment about 10 miles away in Redlands (southeast of San Bernardino) connected to Syed Rizwan Farook.

When detectives went to the apartment, a black SUV with Utah plates passed by slowly, and then sped up and raced off. A police car spotted it and took up pursuit.

A man shot out of the vehicle while a woman drove during a high-speed chase. The SUV stopped a quarter a mile later, as an officer returned fire.

Additional police arrived, riddling the SUV with bullets.

Both murderers, dressed in black assault-style clothing and wearing black masks, were killed in the shootout.

They have been identified as 28-year-old Muslim U.S. citizen Syed Rizwan Farook, an environmental specialist at the San Bernardino County Environmental Health Department, and.27-year-old Muslim Saudi Arabian immigrant Tashfeen Melik. Relatives claim they were married.

Police say the man and woman had AR15 assault rifles and semi-automatic hand guns. They threw what appeared to be pipe bombs out the windows at police (Initially the ATF later said the pipes did not contain explosives, rather they were thick-gauge copper pipe equipped with a piece of material made to look like a wick.............but later a duffle bag of alleged pipe bombs was pictured in the SUV).

Police have detained a third suspect seen running from the SUV.

Police are confident that they have now secured the neighborhood and there are no outstanding suspects there.

After pausing to obtain a search warrant, police and FBI officials are also searching a house in Redlands. The FBI have set up a perimeter around the property and begun a mandatory evacuation of the surrounding area.

The event took place at the Inland Regional Center 60 miles east of Los Angeles, a complex that houses a conference center and a facility that serves people with developmental disabilities.

“We do not know if this is a terrorist incident,” David Bowdich, assistant director in charge of the FBI’s Los Angeles office.

San Bernardino police chief Jarrod Burguan said the gunmen entered “as if on a mission”, adding: “They came in with a purpose … We have no information to indicate that this is terrorism in the traditional sense; obviously at a minimum we have a domestic terrorism situation.”

Farook was a guest at the holiday event where the initial shooting took place. There was a dispute at the event and Farook left, later returning with two other suspects.

An explosive device placed inside the Inland Regional Center was found during a secondary sweep and rendered safe, said Meredith Davis with the Los Angeles division of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF).

Davis also said the ATF had successfully traced the four guns recovered in connection with the shooting and determined that two of the weapons were purchased legally by one of the suspects (she refuse to name). The assault rifles were a .223-caliber DPMS Panther Arms Model A15 and a Smith and Wesson M&P 15.

While on the hajj (an annual Islamic pilgrimage to Mecca) in Saudi Arabia in the spring of 2014, Farook married a woman he had met online. The couple have a 6-month-old baby. The couple left their baby with Farook's mother in Redlands Wednesday morning. They told her they were going to attend a doctor's appointment for the wife.

Colleagues say Farook was a devout Muslim, but rarely discussed religion at work.

“He never struck me as a fanatic, he never struck me as suspicious,” said Griselda Reisinger, who had worked with Farook.

Farook's family was originally from South Asia [the exact country isn't being mentioned], while Malik was believed to be from Pakistan and had lived in Saudi Arabia before coming to the United States.

Syed Farook's father, also named Syed Farook, said “He was very religious. He would go to work, come back, go to pray, come back. He’s Muslim.”

'You and I know, that women, we wouldn't leave a six month old - our baby - to do this, to don tactical gear to go in and kill a bunch of people,' commented California Senator Dianne Feinstein. 'It's not something a woman would easily do. So it's going to be very interesting for me to see what her background was, what level of animus she had, because she had to have had a considerable level. This was his grievance. A woman is a woman. And her child has to be of maximum importance to her.'

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Update - December 3, 2015

The FBI says the married couple who murdered 14 people at a social services center had built more than a dozen pipe bombs and stockpiled thousands of rounds of ammunition. They fired as many as 150 bullets at victims and police officers.

The FBI has begun treating the case as a counterterrorism investigation. The suspects’ extensive arsenal, their recent Middle East travels and evidence that one had been in touch with people with Islamist extremist views, both in the U.S. and abroad, all contributed to the decision to refocus the investigation.

In addition to the 14 people killed, the authorities now say 21 were injured, four more than originally indicated.

The attack was the nation’s deadliest mass shooting since the assault on an elementary school in Newtown, Conn., nearly three years ago.

Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and Tashfeen Malik, 27, fired 65 to 75 rifle rounds inside the center, leaving behind four spent high-capacity magazines.

Cornered after a car chase, they are believed to have fired 76 rifle rounds at the officers. Police fired approximately 380 rounds at the suspects.

Farook and Malik left behind 1,400 rounds of ammunition and three pipe bombs attached to a remote-control device at the Inland Regional Center which did not detonate.

Within their rented Ford Expedition, the couple had 1,400 rounds of ammunition for their rifles and 200 for handguns.

At their Redlands’ home, police found over 2,500 rounds for the assault rifles, more than 2,000 for the pistols, several hundred rounds for a .22-caliber rifle, and 12 pipe bombs. There were also supplies for making more.

The FBI has learned that Farook was in contact over several years with extremists domestically and abroad, including at least one person in the U.S. who was investigated for suspected terrorism by federal authorities in recent years.

Officials call the case perplexing, saying that no clear evidence of terrorism had emerged, though the attack was clearly premeditated. The victims were Mr. Farook’s co-workers at the county health department, and the shooting may have involved grievances against them, but it did fit the mold for workplace violence, either.

The idea that this was a workplace argument that spiraled out of control seems far-fetched, the officials said, given the explosives and the preparation. “You don’t take your wife to a workplace shooting, and especially not as prepared as they were,” say police.“He could have been radicalized, ready to go with some type of attack, and then had a dispute at work and decided to do something.”

An overnight review of Mr. Farook’s electronic devices did not provide clear answers to investigators’ questions.

The FBI sys it has investigated thousands of Muslims for potential ties to terrorists in the years since 911, many of whom were never linked to any crimes. The details about Mr. Farook that have emerged, including the arsenal he and his wife had indicating a preparedness to commit violence on a large scale, have prompted investigators to look deeper into whether he had connections to militants or extremist ideology.

Farook, a United States citizen, was born in Illinois to Pakistani immigrant parents. Family members said he had been a devout Sunni Muslim, and on a dating website several years ago, he listed Urdu as his mother tongue. He had gone to Saudi Arabia multiple times, including a 2013 trip for the annual hajj, the trip to Mecca that all Muslims are expected to complete at least once.

Farook visited Pakistan last year, and that he and Malik entered the United States from Pakistan in July 2014. She traveled on a Pakistani passport and entered the United States in July 2014 on a K-1 visa, a 90-day visa given to fiancés planning to marry Americans. The couple applied on Sept. 30, 2014, for a permanent resident green card for Malik, which requires passing pass criminal and national security background checks using F.B.I. and Department of Homeland Security databases, and she was granted a conditional green card in July 2015.

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Update - December 5, 2015

The FBI says there was "some kind" of contact between Farook and people from the Nusra Front and the radical al-Shabab group in Somalia, without providing more details. Authorities are trying to determine if they had any weapons or terror training in Pakistan.

Tashfeen Malik, 27, using an alias on social media (Facebook), pledged her allegiance to ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi while the massacre was underway.

(Clearly they planned to die as martyrs, and delayed their "statement" until the last minute, so that Homeland and/or NSA monitors wouldn't have a chance to respond in time.)

Pakistan-born Malik moved to Saudi Arabia 25 years ago when she was about 4 years old.

When she was older, she likely moved back and forth between Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, according to the Saudi Arabian government.

In 2007, she returned to Pakistan to study at Bahuddin Zakri University in Multan and stayed until 2012, according to Pakistani intelligence.

Malik met Syed Nazrim Farook, an ethnic Pakistani born in Chicago, on a dating website.

Farook might have met Malik or her family in Saudi Arabia during a trip there in the fall of 2013. After another trip in July 2014, Farook returned to the U.S. with Malik. The couple was married the next month.

Malik came to the U.S. on a K1 “fiancé” visa, which allows an American fiancé to petition for his or her partner’s temporary entry before marriage.

For the visa application, the address she listed as her Pakistani hometown does not exist.

Six months ago, the couple had a baby daughter and named her according to Arab tradition, rather than Pakistani.

Malik received a her U.S. “green card” this summer.

Saudi intelligence officials did not have Malik on a watch lists and she did not appear to have any link to extremists in the region.

Neither Malik or Farook were on the FBI’s watch lists.

Tashfeen Malik, 27, wore a burka so she was never seen by the men, and didn’t speak to male relatives. When family visited her home, the women would sit with the women and the men would sit with the men.

Malik's estranged relatives say she and her father abandoned the family's moderate Islam and became more radicalized during years they spent in Saudi Arabia.

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FBI agents on Saturday raided a Riverside home belonging to a friend and former neighbor of Farook. Three years ago, Enrique Marquez, Jr. purchased the semi-automatic rifles for Farook which were used in the massacre.

Enrique Marquez, Jr. and Farook appeared to be good friends. Farook, his parents and siblings lived on Tomlinson Avenue for several years before moving out a few months ago. Marquez lived next door. While Farook generally kept to himself, the one exception was his friendship with Marquez, who like him, enjoyed tinkering with cars.

On Thursday, Marquez's stepfather Gustavo Ramirez said he mysteriously hadn't heard from Marquez since Wednesday afternoon (the day of the shootout), saying it was unlike Marquez not to come home. Now it's reported that Marquez, who has not been charged with a crime, admitted himself to a mental health facility in Long Beach, California, after Wednesday's attack and has been unavailable for questioning.

A neighbor said the friendship between Marquez and Farook seemed to end abruptly about three years ago.Around that time, she was surprised to see them both standing on the street one day without acknowledging one another. After that, she said, she did not see them together again. Several neighbors said they noticed about two years ago that Farook had begun wearing traditional Pakistani clothing - a long tunic and an Islamic prayer cap, and also began growing his beard out.

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Witnesses say Tashfeen Malik was the first to open fire on her husband's co-workers at a government department party in San Bernardino,, while Syed Farook, 28, appeared to 'hesitate'.

Intelligence sources fear Malik may have been a terrorist who traveled to the U.S. to marry Farook with the sole purpose of carrying out a deadly attack.

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[mike69mackman]

Call me a bigot but another mass attack by people of Muslim decent??? On our soil? Um yeah me Obama take your immigration polices and shove them up your ass!

[Gmerrill0516]

Probably had a bad day at the office and snapped, or so the press would like us to think. And the only cure is to take away arms from those who own them legally as well...What you said Mike69mackman, what you said.

[Dirtymilkman]

Oh boy, we gotta get these black Ford Explorers off the street.

[Outbehindthebarn]

KS, what are you doing up at 2:30AM posting on BMT?

[Gmerrill0516]

I'm seeing on AOL (Liberal crap site but old bad habits die hard) that the conservative candidates had only "meaningless platitudes" to express (Prayers) regarding the incident. Godless pukes! Simply amazing anyone would think that let alone print it. Maybe our "thoughts" should be with them instead...The gun control nuts are going to have a field day with this stuff. We need to arm up so some law abiding citizens can start taking out these guys before they get off a second shot. While we still can...unbelievable.

[Bigdogtrucker]

Good time to get a carry permit if haven't already. Our country is changing for the worse at a rapid rate

[Apple dog]

Good time to get a carry permit if haven't already. Our country is changing for the worse at a rapid rate

I already have mine. The sad thing is the hnic is welcoming the enemy with open arms.

[41chevy]

The Obama taker next to me was saying "stricter gun laws would have prevented this". My question to him was California has the strictest gun laws in the country, Almost impossible to own a weapon or even a replica. The laws have put gun shops out of business and arms makers to leave the state. I asked if the Muslims could be the proble and not the legal ownership of a weapon. His rely was "Obama said we need stricter gun laws and he knows whats best" How do you respond to a person who gets every freebie Obama gives away?

Now tell me Obama isn't hell bent for leather to allow these attacks to happen for him to stay in power?

Here is the White House Response.

White House press secretary Josh Earnest urged lawmakers to pass new legislation providing Obama with the explicit authority to counter all forms of Domestic terrorism. “This effort is serious, and should be the focus of serious debate,” Earnest told reporters during his Thursday briefing. “It will take more than three weeks to pass an AUMF, but Congress, in each of these cases, must stop using the fact that these issues are difficult as an excuse for doing nothing.”

What does that have to do with California or any other place here? Whats is he going to order a red line in the sand for the terrorists not to cross?

[Gmerrill0516]

What the heck does that mean 41Chevy? Good Lord that sounds like a power grab of epic proportion. That's what we need...that guy with new undefined powers. It is frightening that your neighbor can't think past his nose long enough to know that whatever that guy thinks is NOT good for the freedom of law abiding citizens. Brain dead.

[41chevy]

What the heck does that mean 41Chevy? Good Lord that sounds like a power grab of epic proportion. That's what we need...that guy with new undefined powers. It is frightening that your neighbor can't think past his nose long enough to know that whatever that guy thinks is NOT good for the freedom of law abiding citizens. Brain dead.

It means the first steps to a dictatorship IF the Congress, Senate, DOJ or the People do not stop it

[kscarbel2]

If we treat all mass shootings as Muslim terror attacks, America would have new gun laws faster than those bullets destroyed so many lives in San Bernardino

Op-Ed - Piers Morgan

‘LAW-ABIDING AMERICAN GUN-OWNER COMMITS MASSACRE.’

If that was the headline of the latest horrendous mass shooting in San Bernardino, then this story would disappear from the news agenda within a day or two.

The U.S. is now so distressingly, pathetically immune to such gun outrages that it takes an attack of gigantic Sandy Hook style proportions to move any kind of prolonged needle in the news cycle.

Even 14 dead and 21 wounded wouldn’t be enough of a toll to warrant more than a week or so of coverage.

There is now a mass shooting every single day in America.

It’s become a sickening part of routine life in the world’s great superpower.

I’ve run out of vitriolic adjectives to describe them, and they would be superfluous anyway because the statistics alone tell the horrific story.

These two in particular are all you need to really know:

1) 100,000 people are hit by gunfire in the United States every year, of whom 32,000 die.

2) More people, over 400,000, have been killed by guns since 2001 alone than America lost in the whole of World War 2.

This is more than all the other 20 richest industrialized countries in the world, combined.

But this story had a twist.

‘MUSLIM KILLERS’ screamed today’s front page of the New York Post.

The headline was entirely accurate.

Syed Farook, 28, and Tashfeen Malik, 27, the shooter and his wife who joined him in the rampage, were indeed Muslims.

Farook was also an American citizen and all four guns they used were bought legally in the United States.

But that was deemed irrelevant compared to the stunning revelation of the M-word.

Two Muslims had killed a bunch of Americans.

Now we had a REAL news story.

This was TERRORISM!

‘It’s WAR!’ howled Senator Ted Cruz, a gun-adoring presidential candidate never knowingly heard saying anything about any mass shooting other than ‘pray for the victims’.

‘We’re deeply concerned this is yet another manifestation of terrorism,’ he added, ‘radical Islamic terrorism here at home.’

At the time he said this, Cruz had no actual facts to support this theory other than the fact the perpetrators were Muslims.

It may well turn out that he’s right, that this was indeed a terrorist attack carried out by radicalised Islamists.

All the evidence is now pointing that way.

And if it is, we can all rest assured that Cruz and other Republican candidates like Ben Carson and Donald Trump will start furiously demanding all sorts of new laws to make sure no Muslim can ever do this again.

They’ll want so many changes to immigration and surveillance rules and regulations specific to Muslims that the U.S. Constitution itself may need to be re-written to accommodate them all.

When it comes to dealing with terrorists, especially Muslim terrorists, all bets, and freedoms, are off.

After 9/11, air travel was changed irrevocably for everyone in America.

Cockpits got locked, shoes and belts ordered off, baby milk subjected to forensic explosive residue testing.

Oh, and President George W Bush declared wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to try and destroy the culprits and all their sympathizers, even if – as with Saddam Hussein – they had absolutely nothing to do with it.

The message couldn’t be clearer: Republicans hate Islamic terrorists, they’re tough on Islamic terrorists, they WIPE OUT Islamic terrorists.

But when it comes to guns, which kill tens of thousands more Americans a year, these same GOP politicians take an opposite tack.

Far from wanting to deal with the problem, or get rid of it, they actively seek to make it worse.

They block all new gun laws, they viciously berate President Obama for having the audacity to ‘infringe’ their rights, and they recite the NRA mantra: ‘More guns, less crime!’

Only last week, in the wake of the Paris terror attacks, it was pointed out that by refusing to tighten gun laws, these same politicians would of course be making it easier for any radicalised Muslims in America to get their hands on plentiful guns and ammunition to commit their murderous plots.

If you have a clean background, and are unlucky enough to actually be subjected to a background check- 40 per cent of all gun sales are conducted without one - you can buy pretty much as many guns and bullets as you like in America.

Syed Farook, reported today to have been radicalised, turned his home into a lethal arsenal without anyone ever questioning any purchase he made for any of it.

This was not just a massacre waiting to happen, it was one that was loudly and widely predicted just a few days ago.

I’ve tried all manner of ways to try and persuade Americans to do something, anything, to combat the scourge of hideous gun violence that insidiously permeates every aspect of U.S. society.

When Ebola killed two Americans earlier this year, billions of dollars was thrown at fighting the disease and a whole raft of strict new security measures introduced.

But in some U.S. states, it remains easier to buy an assault rifle than a pet dog.

The NRA is far too rich, funded by the grateful, equally cynical gun manufacturers, and far too powerful for anything meaningful to be achieve to reduce the level of gun ownership or the subsequent inevitable gun violence.

Just look at the record gun sales last Black Friday to see how bleak the future looks in a country where there are already over 300 million guns in circulation.

Yet there is one idea that might work, and it came to me as I watched Ted Cruz venting his bigoted wrath this morning.

Let’s treat EVERY mass shooting as a terror attack.

In fact, let’s go a step further and give every mass shooter an Arabic name.

That way, they’d all be ‘Islamic terrorists’ and thus worthy of immediate drastic action.

If 32,000 Americans a year were reclassified as being shot dead by ‘Islamic terrorists’ rather than non-Islamic fellow Americans, then Republicans would suddenly support new gun laws faster than those bullets annihilated so many poor innocent people in San Bernardino.

[kscarbel2]

This fellow's thoughts, well, form your own opinions.

[41chevy]

If we treat all mass shootings as Muslim terror attacks, America would have new gun laws faster than those bullets destroyed so many lives in San Bernardino

That way, they’d all be ‘Islamic terrorists’ and thus worthy of immediate drastic action.

If 32,000 Americans a year were reclassified as being shot dead by ‘Islamic terrorists’ rather than non-Islamic fellow Americans, then Republicans would suddenly support new gun laws faster than those bullets annihilated so many poor innocent people in San Bernardino.

All of the feel good gun laws (micro chips and micro stamping and such) will never ever keep a criminal or terrorist from obtaining a weapon. . .NEVER.

[kscarbel2]

All of the feel good gun laws (micro chips and micro stamping and such) will never ever keep a criminal or terrorist from obtaining a weapon. . .NEVER.

Man’s hoard of nearly 5,000 guns shows ease of amassing arms in U.S.

Reuters / December 3, 2015

As sheriff’s investigators threaded past the battered cars, cast-off tires and rusted farm equipment cluttering Brent Nicholson’s front yard, there was no hint of the sinister stockpile hidden behind his windowless front door.

Inside, the guns were everywhere: rifles and shotguns piled in the living room, halls and bedrooms; handguns littering tables and countertops. Outside, when they rolled up the door on the pre-fab metal garage, more arms spilled out at their feet.

“This has completely changed our definition of an ass-load of guns,” said Chesterfield County Sheriff Jay Brooks. Six weeks after the discovery, officers are still cataloging the weapons, many of which have proved stolen, and the final tally is expected to be close to 5,000. “I don’t know if there’s ever been (a seizure) this big anywhere before,” Brooks says.

The question of how one man amassed such a stockpile of guns arises just as there is renewed American soul-searching over the widespread availability of firearms in the wake of a series of mass shootings.

Even in a country where more people own more guns than anywhere else in the world, Nicholson's cache is extraordinary. The U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives doesn't rank gun seizures by size, but a spokesman says Nicholson's hoard probably is among the largest ever.

Yet when and why Nicholson set out to amass such an arsenal remains a mystery. Investigators are trying to determine whether he was simply a gun-obsessed hoarder or a supply valve in the “Iron Pipeline” of illegal firearms flowing from the south to New Jersey, New York and other northern states.

Nicholson, jailed on multiple charges of possessing stolen property, has not entered a plea or retained an attorney, court records show. His wife, Sharon Nicholson, facing similar charges and free on bond, declined to discuss specifics of the case but stressed in a brief interview that her husband buys his guns legally.

The Nicholson case raises issues that are fueling an increasingly heated national dialogue on the modern-day implications of Americans’ constitutional right to bear arms, which puts no limits on the number of weapons citizens can own. The uncertainty over how he got his guns – and what he was doing with them – underscores disputes over private gun sales, gun registration and what the government should know about who owns firearms and how they change hands.

Now, the spate of mass shootings, capped by Wednesday's spree by a heavily armed couple who killed 14 at an office holiday party in San Bernardino, California, has pushed those issues to the fore in the presidential campaign. The massacre, which follows an attack that killed three last Friday at a Colorado Planned Parenthood clinic and an Oct. 1 rampage by a gunman who killed 10 at an Oregon college, prompted Hillary Clinton, leading candidate for the Democratic nomination, to renew her call to "stop gun violence now" with new firearm purchase restrictions. Conversely, those who top the polls for the Republican nomination, Donald Trump and Ben Carson, insist the answer to gun violence is to empower citizens to thwart such attacks by making it easier, not harder, to buy and carry weapons.

It wasn’t hard for Nicholson.

Just about everyone knows the Nicholsons in this struggling town of 2,700, where the textile industry’s regional decline has helped strand median household income at $26,500 a year, half the U.S. average, and burglary rates run well over national norms. Firearms are a cultural staple – hunting clubs and cabins dot the county – and people say Nicholson’s penchant for guns was a family affair.

“Everybody knew he’d buy guns; his father bought ‘em, his grandfather bought ‘em,” says Al Padgett, 68, who keeps a booth at a local flea market and says he’s known the family all his life. “He collected ‘em, hoarded ‘em, but I never knew him to sell a gun. Not one. He did everyone a favor keeping ‘em off the street.”

Brooks sees things differently. Nicholson had piles of allegedly stolen goods, including a zoo’s worth of taxidermy trophies, Brooks says, but his preference was guns and he provided a ready market for burglars who grabbed them from cabins and hunting camps. The sheriff still hasn’t determined precisely how many guns in Nicholson’s cache were stolen, noting that hundreds have had their serial numbers removed so they can’t be traced.

“Getting him locked up dries up the outlet for this stolen merchandise,” Brooks says.

Brooks suspects Nicholson may have been selling some of the guns. He had relatively few handguns – maybe a half-dozen large buckets full – and “that makes us believe he had a market for those and was moving them north,” Brooks says, noting that the matter remains under investigation.

South Carolina is a common starting point for firearms moving up the Iron Pipeline, a route for many of the 230,000 or so guns stolen nationwide each year. The South has more gun thefts than any other region, federal data show, and police in New York and other northern cities say they regularly tie those guns to crimes, though there is no data on how often.

Stemming the flow is a challenge, law enforcement officials say, because it’s not organized groups moving truckloads of weapons; it’s a loose web of individuals who sell guns more as an occasional sideline than a full-time endeavor.

On Oct. 21, a sheriff’s deputy just over the state line in Union County, North Carolina, pulled Nicholson over for running a stop sign. Nicholson’s pick-up had bogus license plates – and the deputy noticed rifle barrels poking up from behind the seat when he approached the vehicle.

A search turned up 20 rifles, nine handguns and nearly 200 hydrocodone pills, arrest records show, and several of the guns were stolen. Nicholson was arrested for possessing stolen weapons, trafficking in opiates and vehicular violations.

Nicholson was still jailed 48 hours later when a deputy in Pageland stopped by his house with a subpoena in a family court matter. The deputy spotted equipment in the yard that had been reported stolen, and investigators returned with a search warrant. They’d spend the next six days removing guns, hundreds of cases of ammo, and other goods.

“He was going up to Union County to do something with those guns; we don’t know what,” Brooks says. “We’ve got information that he was moving some of these goods and … we’re looking at his activities to see if he was part of something more organized.”

Tracking Nicholson’s guns is a challenge because many states, including South Carolina, don’t regulate private gun purchases, which are unrestricted and require no background check. So person-to-person sales, including gun show transactions that don’t involve licensed dealers, are largely untraceable.

There also is no national gun registration mandate – only some state laws. So, unlike, say, cars, which can be tracked through registrations, guns often have no traceable ownership trail beyond their last sale by a licensed dealer.

It's an issue that also is complicating efforts to trace the origin of the two assault-style rifles and two handguns used in Wednesday's shooting spree in San Bernardino. The guns initially were bought legally: two by someone "associated with" the case and two by someone with no apparent link, according to ATF spokeswoman Meredith Davis. But it's still not clear how those guns got to the shooters.

President Barack Obama and the major Democratic presidential candidates support background checks for private firearms sales; Leading Republican candidates generally oppose additional gun controls, echoing the National Rifle Association’s position that they’re unnecessary constraints on gun owners’ 2nd Amendment right to bear arms.

None of the proposals being floated on either side of the political spectrum would limit the number of guns someone can own.

So far, investigators have identified owners of just a fraction of Nicholson’s guns. Even those that still have serial numbers can be traced only to the last time they passed through a licensed dealer. And since there’s no requirement that gun owners record those numbers, many who believe their guns were stolen and sold to Nicholson are unable to prove the weapons belong to them.

Sharon Nicholson, 52, said in a brief interview at the family’s liquor store that her husband typically bought his guns at stores, but Brooks says investigators have found no records of any purchases he may have made from licensed dealers.

Ultimately, the courts will decide what happens to Nicholson’s guns. Brooks suspects many will be destroyed, particularly those with no serial numbers, because their rightful owners can’t be identified.

Some locals scratch their heads over that possibility, arguing that it’s a waste of good weaponry. Nicholson may not have known if he was buying weapons that prove to be stolen, some say, and he should be allowed to keep any that do not.

“It doesn’t make sense,” says Otis Burch, 85, another local who knows the Nicholsons. “He’s a good man – he wasn’t selling those guns.

“I asked him just about a month ago if he’d sell me a deer rifle,” Burch adds, “and he said he didn’t have any.”

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[41chevy]

One man but what about the Drug Cartels and gangs that deal in arms or the "ghost Guns" made in the Philippines, Columbia and Mexico? Hell I can go to Little Russia, Alphabet City in NYC or Brentwood, East Islip or Wyandanch and come home with anything from a 38 detective revolver to an Egyptian Maadi. Register and legislate all you want, send LEO's and National Guard go house to house to confiscate legal weapons, the criminal element, gang bangers and terrorists will still have them.

We allow Illegals to enter free ,with maybe an appearance ticket, visible gang tats, no criminal check, no medical check, now we are letting in "refugees" free and clear.Go roam the country, come back when you want to go home.

32000 murders, how many were victims of crimes, gang and drug shootings, law enforcement (since death by LEO's are not culled out in the stats)

Gearheadgrrrl said I was a" scared old white guy clinging to my Bible and Gun, afraid of the new America" She is right on 3 out of 4. My wife two sons, both daughter inlaws and 5 grand children all can handle a weapon safely and have NRA training. Guess we are the people that the unarmed citizens and police should fear. Oh and I have no political affiliation, I vote for who I feel will do the best job.

[david wild]

Well, Well, here we go again, it's the guns fault, not the user, how many people die from drug overdose, or falling off ladders or pools, how about in car accidents, should we outlaw every thing that causes death, let's outlaw tornados, how about we lock up the sickos that do this, Oh that's right, that would violate their right to being a sicko, and lord know that we don't want to violate a sicko.

O crap for brains now thinks this could be terrorism ????????? is he really that stupid and the people that voted and support him are that stupid ?? God help us.

You Libs need to wake up and stop living in dreamland, you think we are better off now than when this country was conservative, if so you are stupid, someone here posted about Jimmy Carter being so great, he was moron, 21% interest at the bank ?? yeah he was a real brain surgeon, move on up the line, Clinton, I'm impressed with a guy getting head in the oval office and he didn't do it ?? the economy that he takes claim for was a result of Reagan policy, every major city run by Libs is broke. and Bush relied on intel from a broken CIA and Clinton did that.

You libs don't get it do you, all you have is a history of failure covered up by one lie after another.

[kscarbel2]

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Another reason to worry

The San Bernardino police department are in hot water after the media was allowed unsupervised access into the home of Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik on Friday afternoon.

Networks were able to rifle through the belongings of the terrorists responsible for the deaths of 14 in a massacre that occurred earlier this week that ultimately ended with their own deaths.

MSNBC broadcast live from inside the home, showing identification cards that should not have been made public.

MSNBC and other news organizations were invited into the home by the landlord.

“There are a dozen people in there totally destroying a crime scene which is still vital in this investigation,” said law enforcement specialist Harry Houck.

He also pointed out that it was odd to not see any dusting anywhere for fingerprints, something he would expect to see at a crime scene.

“I'm having chills down my spine with what I'm seeing here. This apartment clearly is full of evidence.”

Anderson Cooper said; 'This is kind of bizarre, this whole thing.'

Andrea Mitchell echoed this on MSNBC, saying; 'I don’t understand why, even after the FBI search, this wasn’t shut out.'

Media photos - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3345982/Photos-toys-Muslim-books-seen-inside-San-Bernardino-killers-home-wife-pledged-allegiance-ISIS-Facebook-couple-launched-attack.html

If they want to be devout Muslims, they’re best off living in their Muslim country of origin. There's a tremendous incompatibility issue (this is one reason why the world came to have different countries).

Want to live in the United States? Then renounce the Sharia Law, swear to place the U.S. Constitution above your religion and subjugate to the American way of life.

[kscarbel2]

Some of the thoughts of fellow Americans

Direct ties to Saudi Arabia seems to be a common occurrence with USA bound Islamic terrorists. Why is that?

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You know what's funny? Every single one of these terrorists has some tie to Saudi Arabia, yet somehow, Iran is the enemy. Right now in Congress is a bill to ban people who have recently traveled to Iran, Iraq, Syria, or Sudan from using the visa waiver program. No one tied to Iran has ever committed an attack on U.S. soil. Yet somehow, Iran made the list, but Saudi Arabia didn't. The same Saudi Arabia which most of the 9/11 hijackers came from.

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I'd like to know how they let a mail-order bride from Saudi Arabia into the country so fast on a K-1 visa. A friend of mine met a girl from England while he was in college, and eventually married her. Their visa application process took almost a year and required multiple rounds of interviews and a submission of a "memory scrapbook" filled with pictures to prove that they knew each other and had a legitimate relationship. Funny that British citizens are subjected to that type of scrutiny while Muslims from terror-sponsoring countries are not.

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Learned why there haven’t been any photos of the she-devil. It’s because she wore a full blown burka. Farook’s attorneys said even the males in that family wouldn’t recognize her because she was covered from head to toe at all times. The attorneys said she was a “typical housewife”. Just trying to recall any typical housewives who have wielded assault rifles and murdered several people at point blank range then firing up to 70 rounds at the cops while trying to get away. Those lawyers are really reaching on this one. Those were two terrorists with a jihadi mission.

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That's why all muslims who are given refugee or green cards to the States should not be allowed to hide their faces and bodies under their so-called traditional outfits. If you don't see their faces, you cannot recognize anyone in conditions like this, let alone how many guns and bombs they hide underneath their clothes. If muslims adopt a new country with different cultural values and customs, they should become part of that, not become a parallel culture that refuses to integrate. We want to know who they are, look into their eyes, and yes, see them wear normal Western clothing, not Medieval outfits that can fit a truck underneath.

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Why are we letting people come to America that have a belief system that condemns being friends with ordinary non-Muslims Americans:

Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Qur'an (5:80) - "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide." [Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell].

If you truly believe the Quran, how can you hope to assimilate in the USA? Unless the intent is to form an enclave, their own neighborhoods, their own schools, their own everything, separate and segregated from the rest of American society?

These terrorists don't have to be "ISIS inspired", they just need to be "Quran inspired".

Note: There are many verses in the bible that instruct Christians to kill non-believers, however nobody does it.

You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20
Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10

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Initially we were told that there were 3 shooters, or at least 3 people involved in this. There were reportedly 2 men and 1 woman. There were 3 names released and tossed around yesterday (this all assuming we are being "truthfully" told what occurred in San Bernardino) .

Syed Farook
Tashfeen Malik
Tyeep Bin Ardogan

Tyeep was said to be a 28 year old who was a citizen of Qatari. Why aren't we hearing more about there being 3 people today? I distinctly remember the reports that they had found only 2 of the people involved, and that the 3rd person was on the run. Does this mean that there STILL is one of this group out there? I mean, I know that there are thousands in our country. But I just hate it when we don't get the whole story, and I so distinctly recall that these were the names involved in the terrorist attack.

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I work about a football field away from where the suburban was shot, and just to let you know, there was a 3rd, which they never found, there is a warning in the area that there is suspected to be at least 5 more in the area, and I was instructed by a friend in law enforcement, to go to ANY public area, no restaurants, movie theaters, malls, to just stay at home this weekend. They are expecting more demonstrations but don't want to tell the public, because it will cause an uproar.

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Abdallah Bulgasem Zehaf-Bibeau, the son of a Canadian immigration official and a Libyan Jihadist, just wanted peace. He told a co-worker, “There can’t be world peace until there’s only Muslims.” Then he tried to usher in peace, the Islamic way, by opening fire near the Canadian parliament.
Meanwhile in Israel a reporter interviewing Arab Muslim settlers in Jerusalem found that they too wanted peace. On their terms. “Yes we want peace,” one of them said, “but peace means no Jews.”
When negotiating peace with other cultures it’s a good idea to make sure that the words you are using mean the same thing. Most Muslims and Westerners want peace. But to Westerners peace means co-existence. To Muslims, peace means the end of your existence

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They were cowards. They did not attempt to attack a US military base which might have supported our Middle East policy, but an office where the governmental employees only did good: inspecting restaurants, assuring clean drinking water. Those poor people at the Christmas party had no reason to be suspicious, and no means to defend themselves.

Oh, and he was "radicalized"? It's one thing for 15-year-old kid to start hanging out with a bad crowd: this was an American-born college graduate in his late twenties with an infant! He owed her better. He owed the country of his birth better. And because of him, some clean-cut Moslem who loves America as much as any Christian or Jew will not get a job he is qualified for because his boss will be afraid to hire him.

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Before the brutal and deadly Lebanese Civil War of 1975 to 1990, Lebanon was a predominantly Christian country. At that time Beirut was prosperous, many people dine out in the evening, and people called Beirut as little Paris of Middle East.

At that time a “Peace Lover” who applied a new strategy and pretending as a Christian to win the election in Lebanon and started to bring in huge number of “Peace Lovers” from Syria.

By playing race/religion card, focused on the pseudo issues, dividing society, and polarized the country, as a results a long civil war started and 120,000 died and one million people had to leave their home as refugees.

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"In 2016 election, I will not support any candidates who plan to bring in tens thousands of Peace Lovers to risk our homeland security, to hurt United Stated of America, and to kill innocent children and women"

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Are the mainstream media still pretending that the California attack was random and workplace violence?

Do they really think we, americans are stupid?

Obama looked foolish prematurely blaming the California mass killing on gun rights abuse without waiting to get the whole facts!

Of course the liberals and the party of Obama and Hillary hoped that the mass killings was workplace or random related violence to further their anti-gun rights agenda.

I dont know but if you had a muslim couple, preparing pipe bombs in the garage and then wore body armor and used as semi-automatic weapons to kill americans celebrating
Christmas party. It should not take a rocket scientist to conclude that the motive was jihad war!

The danger here folks are that Rizwan Farook one of the terrorist attacker was born and grew up in America for many years yet our government was not able to catch his bad intentions before it happened. Much more to the 10,000 Syrian Muslims who are coming to US. It's a very big concern to monitor the 10,000 Syrian Muslims spread across America.

Are the Obama admin pretending that it is business as usual and the president would still naively insist ISIS is contained? Worst and softest president indeed.

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As for Malik, she came to the U.S. in July 2014 on a Pakistani passport and a fiancée visa, authorities said. Malik never came through Saudi Arabia and instead traveled through Islamabad, arriving on a K-1 visa for fiancées and with a Pakistani passport.

To get the visa, immigrants submit to an interview and biometric and background checks — screening intended to identify anyone who might pose a threat.

They were married on Aug. 16, 2014, in nearby Riverside County, according to their marriage license. Both listed their religion as Muslim.

The key point here is she passed a background check. The same type that Obama wants to use to vett the Syrians he wants to bring to the US next year.

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Just reading some of the accounts of the attack. People running and hiding in closets, calling loved ones on their cell phones, tripping over each other, etc. California has the strictest gun laws in the U.S. The murderers didn’t follow the laws, the victims did. This meant that the murderers were armed and the victims, good citizens all, I’m sure, were dependent upon the police to save them. The fundamental human right to defend oneself had been transferred from the individual to the state.

Just once I’d like to read something like, “I crouched by the doorway to my office with my pistol and thought, ‘This is as far as you’re going to get.;” I don’t favor a world where the meek and peaceful are at the mercy of the strong and violent. I don’t favor a world of inequality on such a grand scale. Helplessness isn’t a good plan, our Politicians should know that.

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How many innocent AMERICAN lives must be lost before our "government" stops allowing immigrants from the middle east into our country? I am not a raciest but a realist. My heart goes out to the innocents in the middle east but the risk is far too great to allow any more into our country. If the Islam followers (or anyone else) wants to cry that's unfair or profiling that's too bad then they need to blame the radicals. The majority of American people are demanding our government to stop allowing these people in but the sadly they continue. The United States government has innocent blood on their hands!

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Gee, I wonder why the truth is so hard to report.

ABC News executive producer Ian Cameron is married to Susan Rice, Obama’s National Security Advisor.

CBS President David Rhodes is the brother of Ben Rhodes, Obama’s Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategic Communications.
NBC News Political Analyst, David Axelrod was Obama's Chief Campaign Advisor and Senior Advisor directly to Obama himself.
NBC CEO Stephen Burke is a Board Member of Warren Buffet’s Company Berkshire Hathaway. Buffet donated almost a BILLION dollars to Obama’s campaign.
ABC News correspondent Claire Shipman is married to former White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, who now works for CNN as a commentator.
ABC News and Univision reporter Matthew Jaffe is married to Katie Hogan, Obama’s Deputy Press Secretary.
ABC News chief political correspondent and anchor George Stephanopoulos was the White House Communications Director then Senior Advisor for Policy and Strategy for Bill Clinton, and was just caught secretly donating $75,000 to the Clinton foundation.
ABC President Ben Sherwood is the brother of Obama’s Special Adviser Elizabeth Sherwood.
CNN President Virginia Moseley is married to former Hillary Clinton’s Deputy Secretary Tom Nides.
NBC Chelsea Clinton was making $600,000.00 a year + benefits as a starting reporter.
Univision’s Emmy Award Winning Anchor Jorge Ramos’s daughter is working on Hillary Clinton’s Presidential campaign.
Yahoo is partnered with ABC News. The CEO of yahoo, Marissa Mayer is also an Obama campaign donor who has donated over $300,000.00 to Obama’s campaigns and has even hosted Obama fundraisers in her own home.

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Defeating ISIS will take a “multi-year effort” from a large coalition of nations, Barack Obama tells ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos, while arguing that ISIS is not getting stronger. That’s an interesting take from a president who claimed less than two years ago that ISIS was the “jayvee team” and that Iraq alone could deal with their rebellion. Now, Obama says there aren’t enough troops on the ground to “decapitate” the varsity of Islamist terrorist groups, but that Obama wants to be well on the way to that goal before he leaves office.

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If we are going after ISIS, we need to do it right. We need to destroy Wahhabism. We need to attack it at its source, Saudi Arabia. Those of us who were in the Trade Center are well aware that the culprits were Saudi's. They were the one's flying the planes. And their violent distorted cult of Islam known as Wahhabism needs to be destroyed. Our "ally" has been teaching this garbage in school since the 80s. We allowed it so our puppet dictators could control their population. Obviously, this was a HUGE mistake.

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What's interesting, is that the whole gun debate has come up again, and I think there are a lot of smart minds who are seeing beyond this to ask the bigger questions:

1. Why is the gun issue being brought up as the main issue, when this is clearly now a radicalization issue?

2. And speaking of #1, why are we not talking about stopping the influx of muslim refugees from Syria (and who knows where else) when there is clearly an issue with this particular demographic subject to radicalization?

3. And speaking of #s 1 & 2, why is the obama administration insistent on bringing in refugees and debating the gun issue when they are unwilling to even work with the People of this country to vet radicalized mosques like France did and shut down the ones that are know to law enforcement to have individuals or imams that espouse violence or advocate sharia law?

4. And speaking of all the above, why is the media and the Administration so keen to try and work the workplace violence angle when they know full well that the radicalization angle is the one they should be working, as they full well know that if refugees are allowed to come in, there will be further instances of such attacks.

5. Simple math says that even if the number is higher, why bring in 10,000 to 100,000 muslims to this country when we know 1% is subject to radicalization? 1% of those number is more than 2 and look at what these 2 were able to do? Is it sane to consider more immigration from muslim nations??

6. And in case the question is being asked about the extensiveness of the vetting to be used on incoming refugees, look at these two? Both probably would have passed the screening and look at what they did?

7. Look at the gun issue after you have looked at the human issue, as it is humans that use the guns to kill. The argument that gun control would have kept this from happening is completely false as France has gun control laws and look what happened there?

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Now will you start calling this a terrorist attack Mr. President? I don't hear you saying that the 100 some odd people killed at that night club in Paris were victims of a mass shooting. It was a terrorist attack. My town deserves to be acknowledged as what it was a terror target by two jihadis inspired by and pledged to ISIS even if ISIS did not carry out the attacks themselves. The victims, my city deserves for you to properly acknowledge what this really was. This happened 5 minutes from my place of work, 10 mins from my home and my daughters school. You owe it to us to acknowledge it for what it is!!!

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I would like to know how many of the Syrian Refugees are terrorists. If Obama wants to admit 75K of them or so, and lets be conservative and say that even 1% of them are terrorists (this makes 750 of them terrorists). Now, those 750 can corroborate with others, and make others join their ranks. If, lets say each one of them on average makes 3 others join their ranks, we will have 750+2250 which is 3000 terrorists in USA..... If on average 2 terrorists kill 14 people (and this is low end), meaning that 1 will kill 7 people. Therefore 3000 terrorists are capable of killing 21K people. That is 21K Americans.... Obama will be responsible for killing at least 21K Americans by letting those refugees here (and this is low end number).... Wake up America, and don't let any of them here - before it is not too late.

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I think they're on the right track now. From the time he looked online for a wife, I think he was targeted & she was a "plant" If so, she came with US contacts, able to give her weapons & info & I think she radicalized him. Probably, she had the baby to allay suspicions & make it less likely she would be deported. I wonder who she was? In that culture, most women marry early. Had she already been married & had a family? Were any family members of hers killed by US forces somewhere in the Middle East? A woman would be under less scrutiny from US authorities & especially if she were coming here to be married.

[david wild]

You better go hide in the woods someplace off the beaten path if O crap for brains reads your thoughts, he will declare you a enemy of the state. I on the other hand agree and support your thoughts, O crap for brains will never raise a hand against his fellow Muslim brothers. When he speaks of the Bible it is no big thing but when he speaks of the Koran he speaks with reverence, watch him next time, He is a Muslim, he hates us, and soon let's make sure he is gone and pray that Hillary implodes. I personally can't stand O crap for brains and I wish him misery, he ruined many lives with his anti American crap, I would personally have no problem in exacting as much pain on him for what I believe he has done to many Americans. He is a traitor to this country and should be punished for is acts, The Libs follow him because they are baffled by his BS. there is a agenda by him and the media, and that is to bring our great country to it's knees.

[kscarbel2]

Liberty University president urges: 'End those Muslims' via concealed gun carry

The Guardian / December 5, 2015

The president of Liberty University urged students, staff and faculty at the Christian school to carry concealed weapons on campus to counter any possible armed attack like the mass shooting in San Bernardino, California.

“Let’s teach them a lesson if they ever show up here,” President Jerry Falwell Jr told 10,000 students at the weekly convocation held on Friday in Lynchburg.

The call-to-arms was met with rousing applause from students, but some said Falwell went too far when he appeared to be referring specifically to Muslims.

“I’ve always thought if more good people had concealed carry permits, then we could end those Muslims before they walked in,” Falwell said.

Falwell said he was referring to Islamic terrorists. “I was referring to ‘those Muslims’ that just carried out attacks in Paris and California.”

Falwell said, “There are many good Muslims, many good, moderate Muslims.”

Falwell said he was specifically referring to Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik.

Falwell encouraged students to take a free class offered by campus police to obtain a permit to carry a concealed weapon. More than 100 people subsequently asked Liberty police about a free class to obtain a permit to carry a concealed weapon. 14,000 students are enrolled at Liberty.

Following the San Bernardino shootings, Falwell said he began carrying a .25-caliber handgun in his back pocket. He said he’s had a permit for more than year. Falwell mentioned the weapon during his address Friday and reached around seemingly to fetch it.

“Is it illegal to pull it out? I don’t know,” he said, laughing, drawing some hoots from the audience.

Asked if he was concerned by the prospect of thousands of armed young people on campus, Falwell said Virginia has a minimum age of 21 for a concealed-carry permit, meaning only older students would be armed.

Falwell also said he believed the campus needed to be prepared in the face of the increasing frequency of mass killings. He cited, for example, the 2007 massacre of 32 people at Virginia Tech, the deadliest mass shooting in modern US history, which took place less than 100 miles south-west of Liberty.

“What if just one of those students or one of those faculty members had a concealed permit and was carrying a weapon when the shooter walked into Virginia Tech? Countless lives could have been saved,” he said.

Unlike his late father, the Rev Jerry Falwell, the younger Falwell has been a low-key leader at Liberty. His father’s barbed statements on contemporary issues made him a reviled figure to some and a pioneering conservative crusader to others. “That’s not my thing,” Falwell says.

[kscarbel2]

Tashfeen Malik: who was the 'shy housewife' turned San Bernardino killer?

The Guardian / December 6, 2015

Criminal profilers said the veneer of normality was a key component of the couple’s plan to build an arsenal of semi-automatic weapons and home-made pipe bombs and carry out the killings, because it minimized the risk of discovery.

But the profilers said that it was highly unusual for a woman – and especially a new mother – to engage in a form of visceral, predatory violence that the clinical literature associates almost exclusively with men.

“This is not a woman who has your typical maternal instincts,” said Mary Ellen O’Toole, a former top behaivoural analyst for the FBI who now directs the forensic science program at George Mason University.

“This is very planned, strategic behavior,” O’Toole said. “They have this baby, and what makes a family more normal or traditional than to have a baby? Yet they maintained a plan for mission-oriented, cold-blooded, maximum violence for weeks or months. It suggests the possibility that the baby was in part a prop to help them look normal.”

Park Dietz, who has been profiling mass killers for more than 30 years, said he was unaware of any case of a couple erupting in mass violence when the targeted victims were not family members or people perceived to have harmed their child.

“The necessary ingredients for an attack of this kind are to be willing to die that day and an inclination to blame other people, either out of paranoia or a direct grievance,” Dietz said.

The mystery surrounding Malik extends to her background in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

(As has been said by U.S. state governors, it is realistically impossible to perform adequately comprehensive factual background checks on people from the Middle East and Western Asia).

Relatives of Malik in Pakistan, estranged from their wealthy family members who live in Saudi Arabia, said she used to wear Western-style clothing, but later switched to more traditional garments such as a burka, which covers the the entire body.

Saudi Arabia requires the wearing of a hijab, but does not mandate burkas. Pakistan, where Malik returned to study at Bahuddin Zakri University in Multan, does not have a dress code for women.

A relative of Mailk's in Pakistan says her family became concerned about her attitudes after she went to study pharmacology at Bahauddin Zakariya University in the city of Multan, Pakistan. After two years of attending the university, starting in 2007, she began posting extremist statements on Facebook. She started taking part in religious activities and also started asking women in the family and the locality to become good Muslims. She started taking part in religious activities of women in the area.

[41chevy]

Obama's speech tonight blah blah blah a feather merchant at best.

Following the recent attack in California, President Barack Obama has called on Americans not to give in to fear, while trying to assure the public that he and his administration take the threat of terrorism seriously.

In a rare speech from the Oval Office in the White House, Obama Sunday night said the FBI is still gathering facts about what happened last week in San Bernardino, California. He added there is no evidence yet that the two shooters involved were part of a broader terror network overseas.

He said the U.S. under his administration has hardened its defenses against terrorist threats and stressed the U.S. military has relentlessly pursued terrorist networks overseas.

But he noted that criminals are now turning to what he called "less complicated" attacks like what happened in California.

Obama said he understands that Americans are asking if "we are confronted by a cancer that has no cure." He vowed "we will destroy ISIL," using an acronym for the Islamic State terror group.

He promised the U.S. military will hunt down terrorist leaders in any country where they hide. He also said the U.S. will continue to provide training and equipment to Syrian and Iraqi forces fighting IS on the ground. And he said the U.S. is working with friends and allies, and that the international community has begun to pursue a timeline to bring and end to the Syrian war.

Obama said he has ordered the Department of State and Homeland Security to review the visa waiver program under which the female shooter in California got into the United States.

He called on Congress to make sure no one on a no-fly list can buy a gun. And he said again that we must make it harder for people to buy assault weapons

The president said these are the steps we can take together to defeat the terrorist threat.

He added we will not be drawn once again into a long and drawn-out war on the ground in Iraq or Syria. He said that's what IS wants us to do.

He stressed that we cannot let this war be defined as a struggle between America and Islam.

The president said Muslim leaders must work with us to reject hateful ideology that al-Qaida and IS promote. He also said it is the responsibility of all Americans of every faith to reject the notion that Muslim Americans must be treated differently.

He insisted "we are on the right side of history."

"Let's not forget that freedom is more powerful than fear," Obama added.

[bullhusk]

Obama....... Remember the movie The Thing From Another World?? Staring James Arness as the Thing; well here's how I see it ICIL is The Thing and Obama is the Professor who tried to save and communicate with the monster. And the captain, (Henry) wanted to kill him and in the end he burned every single part of the monster and left nothing but smoke!! I like Cap. Henry's way of doing things! And the way Trump has been talkin lately he's talkin like Henry!! I'm just a simple man so pardon my simple post

BULLHUSK

[kscarbel2]

Pakistan threatens U.S. media against reporting on California shooter

Reuters / December 6, 2015

Pakistani security forces this weekend tried to stamp out reporting on the background of Pakistan-born Tashfeen Malik.

Pakistan's security officials told reporters to drop their investigations into her background on pain of arrest, and three professors at Malik's university said they had been advised not to talk to the media.

Pakistani security, who refused to provide identification, sought to discourage Reuters from further reporting on Malik's background, threatening journalists with arrest for unspecified offences.

"Whether you consider this a request or a dictation (order), I would advise you not to pursue this story," one said.

Tim Craig, a reporter from the Washington Post, tweeted that police had prevented him from leaving his hotel in Multan.

"I've lost track of how many different security/intel officials I've had to talk to, copy my passport, etc in past 17 hours - think 12 to 16," he tweeted.

On Sunday, three professors at Bahauddin Zakariya University, which Malik attended, said they had been instructed by security agencies not to speak to reporters.

One, who asked not to be named, said security officials visited the university on Saturday and removed records and pictures of Malik.