bigblockford_390 Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 (edited) I am looking to get a truck for my farm and I am really leaning towards getting a Mack. The truck would pull a 40 foot hopper bottom grain trailer mostly in summer during harvest and fall to haul wheat once sold. Would I be better to get one with a Mack engine, as in 427 or 460 or get a littler newer one that has the Volvo based MP engine?I would like to be above 400 HP. Today the longest commute would be 100 miles one way, mostly flat with a few hills.A lot of the tucks I see with the Mack engines are getting up towards 1 million miles, and I know no one has a crystal ball but would I be foolish for getting one with this many miles? In my application I would put no more than a few thousand miles a year. I also have no problem working on stuff so I don't mind having to fix stuff.I just want to know based on your experience which would be the better route to go. Currently we have a Kenworth T600 with 3406C Cat at 350 horse with 9 speed and 342 rear end that has a mounted 20 foot grain box. What transmission would be the best? What rear ends, any helpful info to help choose a truck would be great. Thanks!Jeff Edited December 27, 2015 by bigblockford_390 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/43282-mack-engines-verses-volvomp/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dirtymilkman Posted December 28, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2015 We haul a lot of grain at 88,000lbs and do it with Mack 350 and a 9spd. It goes 75mph if you want it to, and has good acceleration. A 2002 or older Mack is a safe bet, and a million mile motor. They're VERY easy to service and VERY easy to set valves and do injectors. I have had all of ours go trouble free to million plus miles. I change oil every 10,000 miles and grease every 5,000 miles. 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/43282-mack-engines-verses-volvomp/#findComment-317627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigblockford_390 Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share Posted December 28, 2015 Is it personal preference as to a Mack powertrain verse Eaton? Or is one better or more desirable? Besides a Napa 40 miles away all manufactures are 100 miles away for dealer service/support so that is a non issue.Jeff Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/43282-mack-engines-verses-volvomp/#findComment-317630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack man 1973 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Go with an e7 vs the mp engine . The e7 is a almost bullet proof engine and very dependable and will do just as well at pulling as larger competitor engines . As far as trans go in my oppion a 9 or 10 speed is all that is needed for your application . Eaton transmissions are a little easier to shift than Mack trans and easier to pull out when a clutch is needed . You would not be disappointed with an e7 powered of what ever Mack model strikes your fancy 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/43282-mack-engines-verses-volvomp/#findComment-317631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Go with the older, simpler E7, IMHO. If I may relate my experience this evening, it may help you decide...First time in the 3 years I have worked for Brothers Auto Transport, I decided to go to work on a Sunday evening, just to get a head start on the short week, and help out, since we are so busy. Leave the house, 20 minutes to the yard, pop the hood,check the fluids, fire up the VOLVO, got a check engine light for "COOLANT CRITICALLY LOW". OK, pop the hood AGAIN, coolant right to level in the tank, mess with the sensor plug & wire in the rain & muddy yard, can't figure it out, not really my job. Long story short, no mechanic until 4am, so I am back home until they figure it out in the morning. I can't go to work, and lose 1 load this week because of an electronic faulty sensor. Not happy. With issues like this, plus the new logbook mandate, I am more confident than ever moving forward with my 30 year old MH E7. Technology sucks lol.GreggSent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/43282-mack-engines-verses-volvomp/#findComment-317642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigblockford_390 Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share Posted December 28, 2015 So far hands down the group recommends that the E7 is the better choice. The Mack trucks seems like a good bang for the buck, I see them for sale for less than similarly equipped truck of other makes which is a big plus for me. From searching around on here they seem like a good tough truck and I really like the looks of them, not that makes a difference in performance but its nice icing on the cake so to speak.I wonder how that electronic log book applies to farming? I have a CDL from past employer and keep it each year to prevent having to get it again if I ever need it again, technically as long as I haul my own grain I do not need a CDL. How does that apply to older trucks that are mechanically controlled verses electronic? Do you have to add sensors and other crap so the wiz bang gadget the government says is needed will work? I know it is off topic but just couriois? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/43282-mack-engines-verses-volvomp/#findComment-317662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
220cummins Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Go with the older, simpler E7, IMHO. If I may relate my experience this evening, it may help you decide...First time in the 3 years I have worked for Brothers Auto Transport, I decided to go to work on a Sunday evening, just to get a head start on the short week, and help out, since we are so busy. Leave the house, 20 minutes to the yard, pop the hood,check the fluids, fire up the VOLVO, got a check engine light for "COOLANT CRITICALLY LOW". OK, pop the hood AGAIN, coolant right to level in the tank, mess with the sensor plug & wire in the rain & muddy yard, can't figure it out, not really my job. Long story short, no mechanic until 4am, so I am back home until they figure it out in the morning. I can't go to work, and lose 1 load this week because of an electronic faulty sensor. Not happy. With issues like this, plus the new logbook mandate, I am more confident than ever moving forward with my 30 year old MH E7. Technology sucks lol.GreggSent from my XT1254 using TapatalkTap the coolant jug with a rubber mallet, that usually does the trick. On that note. The newer MP engines are smoother and more powerful than before. A non dpf MP7 is night and day compared to an AC/AI. The downfall of the MP is the cups/injectors, EATS component issues, and little issues like Underdog's story. I personally prefer a pre-2004 all Mack granite. The 460's I've driven have some crack and pull nice. I'd take a Mack trans over an eaton anyday although a 8LL is a decent trans. I think the Mack shifts better. If your off-road more than highway you can't go wrong with Mack rears on camelback, they are simplistic and have been proven forever. That being said if the bugs ever get worked out of the MPs they will be no joke. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/43282-mack-engines-verses-volvomp/#findComment-317663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
41chevy Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I wonder how that electronic log book applies to farming? I have a CDL from past employer and keep it each year to prevent having to get it again if I ever need it again, technically as long as I haul my own grain I do not need a CDL. How does that apply to older trucks that are mechanically controlled verses electronic? Do you have to add sensors and other crap so the wiz bang gadget the government says is needed will work? I know it is off topic but just couriois?There is a 100 mile radius for exemption, so where here recently is a thread on the new Electronic logs and things. Quote "OPERTUNITY IS MISSED BY MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS DRESSED IN OVERALLS AND LOOKS LIKE WORK" Thomas Edison “Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘Holy shit, what a ride!’” P.T.CHESHIRE Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/43282-mack-engines-verses-volvomp/#findComment-317664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigblockford_390 Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share Posted December 28, 2015 So when the time comes for an overhaul on an E7, does Mack still use pressed in dry liners? I am not setup to deal with that if so. I have rebuilt both Cat engines and Cummins with wet liners.Does anyone know an approximate take rate on Mack trucks between all Mack power-train verses Eaton? It seems online I am finding more with the Eaton. Maybe it is the models I am looking at, I like the looks of the Vision trucks as I need one with a sleeper.Jeff Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/43282-mack-engines-verses-volvomp/#findComment-317666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdog Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 E7's have wet sleeves. Most of the Visions you will find will have vendor trans. and rears,as they were basically highway tractors,Mack pushed the vendor components to be more competitve with off breed trucks. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/43282-mack-engines-verses-volvomp/#findComment-317668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kscarbel2 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 The E7 is a great engine. But keep in mind that Volvo has no desire to support trucks (and engines) older than 15 years. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/43282-mack-engines-verses-volvomp/#findComment-317670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Tap the coolant jug with a rubber mallet, that usually does the trick. On that note. The newer MP engines are smoother and more powerful than before. A non dpf MP7 is night and day compared to an AC/AI. The downfall of the MP is the cups/injectors, EATS component issues, and little issues like Underdog's story. I personally prefer a pre-2004 all Mack granite. The 460's I've driven have some crack and pull nice. I'd take a Mack trans over an eaton anyday although a 8LL is a decent trans. I think the Mack shifts better. If your off-road more than highway you can't go wrong with Mack rears on camelback, they are simplistic and have been proven forever. That being said if the bugs ever get worked out of the MPs they will be no joke.Why tap with a mallet? Is that a float type sensor? I thought it odd that the sensor is in the bottom of the tank. Usually on the side halfway up... I am not near the truck, back home waiting for the shop to call.Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/43282-mack-engines-verses-volvomp/#findComment-317675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
41180 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Go with a Mack CL713 with e7 vmac1 or 2 350 thru 454 if you go etech go 460 xt . CL 's are easy to service alot of room. Under the big long hood and they have steel radiator no plastic . Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/43282-mack-engines-verses-volvomp/#findComment-317678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamsterGrrrl Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I'd look for an E7, last and best of the breed! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/43282-mack-engines-verses-volvomp/#findComment-317695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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