Ford F-150 Diesel News

[kscarbel2]

Ford preparing diesel-powered F-150

Automotive News / January 28, 2016

Ford Motor Co. appears to be gearing up to launch a diesel-powered version of the F-150, possibly as early as next year, and wrest the fuel efficiency crown from the hot-selling Ram 1500 EcoDiesel.

Diesel-powered F-150 test trucks have been spotted running around Ford’s product development center in Dearborn, Mich.

Land Rover’s decision to equip its Range Rover and Range Rover Sport SUVs with a Ford-built, 3.0-liter diesel engine also bodes well for a diesel-powered F-150.

Ford spokesman Mike Levine declined to comment on Ford’s future products, but Dave Sullivan, an analyst for consulting firm AutoPacific, says Ford’s product plans call for a diesel-powered F-150 teamed with a new 10-speed automatic transmission co-developed by Ford and General Motors. It could launch as a 2017 model, he says.

“A diesel F-150, with its lightweight body and 10-speed automatic, would have all of the necessary hardware to win the fuel economy race,” said Sullivan.

When the redesigned, aluminum-bodied F-150 arrived in late 2014, the fuel economy ratings disappointed many consumers and analysts who expected the lightweight truck to be the most fuel efficient in the segment.

The most fuel-efficient F-150 is powered by a 2.7-liter V-6 that carries a 19 mpg city and 26 mpg highway EPA fuel economy rating. Ram’s EcoDiesel 1500 carries a 29 mpg highway rating.

The Ram EcoDiesel has been a big success for Fiat Chrysler, accounting for 15 percent of Ram 1500 sales in the U.S.

The diesel engine likely to go in the F-150 is a 3.0-liter, twin-turbo V-6 made in Ford’s Dagenham, England plant. It traces its roots to 1999 and a deal Ford made with French manufacturer Peugeot. Part of the Lion engine family co-developed by Peugeot and Ford, the V-6 diesel, originally 2.7 liters, has been used in Peugeots, Jaguars, Land Rovers and the Ford Territory, an off-road vehicle made in Australia.

The newest diesel-powered Range Rovers offer a good indication of the power, performance and fuel economy an F-150 with the same engine would offer.

In its current state of tune in the Range Rover Sport, the 3.0-liter V-6 develops 254 hp and delivers 440 pounds-feet of torque at 1,750 rpm. The 4,727-pound Range Rover Sport carries an EPA fuel economy rating of 22 city/29 highway. It uses an eight-speed automatic.

The 2016 F-150 Lariat Crew Cab weighs 4,942 pounds, and its aerodynamic performance would be comparable to the Range Rover’s.

The Ram EcoDiesel is rated at 240 hp and 420 pounds-feet of torque at 2,000 rpm, suggesting the Ford 3.0-liter diesel could be installed in the F-150 with little modification.

“I am sure federalizing the engine and sourcing common parts helps bring the cost down,” said Sullivan. He thinks Ford could easily sell around 45,000 diesel-powered F-150s per year. Ford says the F-150 has been the nation’s top-selling vehicle for 34 years and top truck for 39 years.

If Ford does launch a diesel-powered F-150, it will be closing a gap in its light-duty truck lineup, as Ram, Chevrolet and GMC sell light-duty diesel trucks and Nissan just launched a diesel on the Titan.

“Ford offers customers a wide range of engines in the F-150, from EcoBoost to V-8 with compressed natural gas and propane capability,” said Levine. “We will always offer our customers that power of choice. However, we do not speculate about future products.”

http://www.autonews.com/article/20160128/OEM04/160129849/ford-aiming-for-pickup-fuel-economy-crown-preps-diesel-powered-f-150

http://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/43160-ford-finally-puts-its-30-v-6-diesel-in-the-f-150/#comment-316241

 

[kscarbel2]

Car & Driver / January 28, 2016

Ford made some pretty decisive moves with the development of its 2014 F-150 pickup, touting its aluminum construction and twin-turbo EcoBoost V-6 engines as the fully modern combo to beat in power and efficiency for half-ton pickups. But when the inevitable questions about the “D” word—as in diesel engines—entered the discussion, the manufacturer had little to say. Now we’ve snagged a video of an F-150 undergoing testing near Detroit, and the sound emanating from it is pure, unadulterated, compression-ignition music to our ears.

Speculation about a diesel-powered F-150 half-ton pickup has been rampant, even though Ford has repeatedly denied reports. Citing the steeper initial price point of a diesel truck and the higher cost of diesel fuel, Ford brass steadfastly maintained that a diesel half-ton just doesn’t pencil favorably for the average consumer. Meanwhile, the team over Ram popped the corporate 3.0-liter turbocharged EcoDiesel V-6 under the hood of its Ram 1500 half-ton and proceeded to sell them by, well, the truckload, despite the diesel’s commanding up to a nearly $5K premium—depending on powertrain and options—over a gas-powered Ram. With the viability of the business plan now confirmed, it’s only logical that Ford would realign itself to get its part.

Ford has a few options as far as diesel power goes. The truck in the video above displays a very faint compression-ignition clatter and an unmistakable turbo “whoosh” under acceleration, and given its cadence at idle, we’re inclined to think this F-150 is running a version of the 3.0-liter turbo-diesel V-6 developed jointly a while ago by Ford and PSA Peugeot-Citroën. Internally known as the “Lion,” the engine already is in use stateside in the Rover Rover and Range Rover Sport, so much of the certification work may already be out of the way. Producing 254 horsepower and 440 lb-ft of torque, the “Lion” engine would edge out the Ram 1500 EcoDiesel’s 240 and 420 numbers, and that’s before any tweaking by Ford engineers. To ensure maximum efficiency and the best possible fuel-economy numbers, we expect Ford to mate the new diesel to the company’s new 10-speed automatic transmission.

If Ford were to err on the side of sensibility—we’re talking trucks here, so that’s hardly a given—the 3.2-liter turbocharged inline five-cylinder diesel currently available in the Transit van would also be an option. Although it makes only 185 horsepower, it produces a truck-worthy 350 lb-ft of torque in the Transit application, certainly enough for work vehicles and fleet applications. Either way, with signs pointing in the direction of a diesel F-150, we expect Ford to make an official announcement sooner than later, likely in time for the 2017 model year.

[Phase 1]

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"a new 10-speed automatic transmission co-developed by Ford and General Motors."

That was quite surprising news to me, but I did some looking and found GM and Ford have already developed two other transmissions together in recent years..

I would think Henry Ford and William Crapo Durant are rolling over in their graves.

[kscarbel2]

2017 Ford F-150 to get Range Rover 3.0L V-6 diesel

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/06/30/ford-f-150-diesel-3-liter-engine/

Related reading - http://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/43765-ford-preparing-diesel-powered-f-150/

[kscarbel2]

Why has Ford stubbornly resisted installing a version of it’s popular UK diesels in the F-150 is a mystery.

Then again, why doesn’t Ford sell the global market Ranger and Everest SUV in the US market?

FYI - Like the Jeep Wrangler and Toyota’s 4-Runner, Land Cruiser and Land Cruiser Prado (Lexus GX), the Everest is a “real” SUV with body-on-frame construction (Ranger platform), rather than a crossover based on stilted car platform.

Ford's global diesel engine portfolio includes:

237-258 horsepower 3.0-liter V-6

270-272 horsepower 3.6-liter V-8

325-339 horsepower 4.4-liter V-8

The global market Ranger Rover Sport is available with the 258hp Ford 3.0L diesel, and the Ranger Rover is available with Ford's 339 horsepower 4.4L V-8 diesel.

The US market Ranger Rover is only available with the smaller 3.0L V-6.....the larger 4.4L V-8 diesel is not available.

[Red Horse]

Kevin- Where are these Ford diesels built?

And for sure your comments on Ranger/Everest are right on!  In particular with respect to Everest.  I can understand their reluctance on Ranger given its very close proximity to 150 as far as dimensions.  Everest though is a completely different vehicle from the rest of the ford offerings given its BOF roots.

I have to believe  Everest would present a good alternative-not only to Ford buyers but those who consider those other BOF brands you mention.

[kscarbel2]

1 hour ago, Red Horse said:

Kevin- Where are these Ford diesels built?

And for sure your comments on Ranger/Everest are right on!  In particular with respect to Everest.  I can understand their reluctance on Ranger given its very close proximity to 150 as far as dimensions.  Everest though is a completely different vehicle from the rest of the ford offerings given its BOF roots.

I have to believe  Everest would present a good alternative-not only to Ford buyers but those who consider those other BOF brands you mention.

Dagenham (East of London)

[TeamsterGrrrl]

Ford offered the british built 4 cylinder diesels in their step van chassis back in the 60s and 70s.

[tjc transport]

this has been rumored for close to 20 years now on FTE, the largest ford truck forum in the world.

and every time it comes up a ford representative says it is just a rumor.

[Red Horse]

19 hours ago, TeamsterGrrrl said:

Ford offered the british built 4 cylinder diesels in their step van chassis back in the 60s and 70s.

And 6 cylinders of 330 and I think 363 cubes that were offered in mediums in early 60's  I believe they too were built in Dagenham.  so as KS says-new ones built in Dagenham, that plant has a long history of diesel production

[kscarbel2]

A fuel fill with no cap (note the photo slide show). I understand the door is sealed, but I still don't care for it.

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/09/15/diesel-powered-ford-f-150-spy-shots/#slide-4060924

 

[kscarbel2]

The Land Rover Discovery shown has the same Ford 3.0 V6 diesel as the upcoming US market F-150.

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[kscarbel2]

F-150 diesel to get 30 mpg

Mike Martinez, Automotive News  /  January 8, 2018

DETROIT — Ford Motor Co. expects the first diesel version of its F-150 pickup, which goes on sale this year, to produce a highway fuel economy rating of 30 mpg.

The diesel variant, announced last year as part of the F-150's 2018 model freshening, will have a 3.0-liter Power Stroke engine rated at 250 hp and 440 pound-feet of torque — both best-in-class numbers, Ford said.

It's meant to appeal to customers who tow and haul more than normal. Officials expect a segment-best 2,020-pound payload and 11,400 pounds of trailer towing capability.

"It's the next logical extension," said Todd Eckert, the F-150's marketing manager. "We're always looking for opportunities to expand the lineup to meet the needs of customers."

The engine will be mated with Ford's 10-speed transmission, introduced on the 2017 F-150.

Truck enthusiasts have clamored for a diesel option, and some rivals have offered diesels on full-size and midsize pickups. But Ford insists it's not lagging the competition.

"We don't think it's late," Eckert said. "It's right on time, right when we planned it."

Ford said it expects the diesel engine to account for roughly 5 percent of retail sales.

It will cost $2,400 to $4,000 more than other F-150 engines.

Retail customers may get the diesel on the three highest F-150 trims: Lariat, King Ranch and Platinum. Fleet customers, may order a diesel in the less expensive XL and XLT trims.

The diesel will be offered on the 4x4 and 4x2 versions of the SuperCab and SuperCrew.

Eckert said dealers will begin taking orders for the diesel F-150 in mid-January. The trucks will be delivered in the spring.

The engine, made in England, is a variant of the Lion diesel that Ford builds for use in Land Rover and Jaguar vehicles.

[kscarbel2]

Eckert should be a politician.....he certainly lies like one.

Only fleet customers can buy an affordable diesel XL or XLT???

No diesel availability with a standard cab???

Ford is shooting themselves in the foot.....again.

$2,400 to $4,000 more for the diesel. Ridiculous. Over 50% profit.

[Maxidyne]

GM is playing the same game with the Colorado/Canyon diesel, have to take expensive trim unless you can put together a fleet order of X number vehicles. At least Ford makes it easy to be a "fleet" in their eyes, in some cases just one vehicle will qualify you.

[Red Horse]

2 hours ago, kscarbel2 said:

Eckert should be a politician.....he certainly lies like one.

Only fleet customers can buy an affordable diesel XL or XLT???

No diesel availability with a standard cab???

Ford is shooting themselves in the foot.....again.

$2,400 to $4,000 more for the diesel. Ridiculous. Over 50% profit.

 agree 100%.  They are so driven by the average transaction price (ATP) issue that any chance they get they try to link options up.  

 And no availability in essence in a true work truck-standard cab and base trim levels.

Beyond the ATP issue, this says...."We have built a very nice yuppie vehicle so you can take your two plastic bags to the "transfer station" once a week while wearing your designer Carhartts (Made in China).

Now for you guys who want to throw a 100 gallon fuel transfer tank in the back of your truck, which happens to be a "plain jane" spec-sorry.  Unless "Maxidyne" is correct and qualifying for "fleet status" is just a formality that a dealer can waive and the self employed one truck guy can qualify.

[Dirtymilkman]

Even the Chevy Cruze diesel has to be decked out. Can't buy it with cloth. 

[TS7]

Detroit area today 1-8-2018, unleaded gas $2.40. Diesel fuel $3.09 (was $2.89) at most Speedway stations. I am sure there is a long waiting list to buy a plain diesel F-150 XL for real work use. Ford should put that engine in a 8000 GVW F-250 XL, 25 MPG in a real work truck would kill off GM and FCA.

[bulldogboy]

8 hours ago, Red Horse said:

 

"We have built a very nice yuppie vehicle so you can take your two plastic bags to the "transfer station" once a week while wearing your designer Carhartts (Made in China).

 

Darn, I was planning on using my new $100,000 F-450 pickup to take the two trash bags to the dump. Now I'm going to be upstaged by a Diesel F-150 Platinum? The heck with it, I'm keeping my 2007 Ranger.

                                                                     bulldogboy

                                             

Edited January 9, 2018 by bulldogboy

[Red Horse]

1 hour ago, bulldogboy said:

Darn, I was planning on using my new $100,000 F-450 pickup to take the two trash bags to the dump. Now I'm going to be upstaged by a Diesel F-150 Platinum? The heck with it, I'm keeping my 2007 Ranger.

                                                                     bulldogboy

                                             

Hah- got yah beat -2004 Ranger- and all of my Carhartts are stained, threadbare, and were made in the USA!

[kscarbel2]

Ford launches 'commercial grade' diesel option for F-150

Trailer-Body Builders  /  January 8, 2018

For those looking for towing capacity and fuel economy in their full-size pickup, Ford Motor Co. announced a sixth engine option for the 2018 F-150: a 3.0L V6 Power Stroke turbo diesel. The automaker said it expects the engine will deliver 30 highway mpg as well as 11,400 lbs. towing and 2,020 payload capacity.

Ford dealers will begin taking orders for F-150s with the 3.0L diesel in about a week, with deliveries slated to begin this spring. The engine is available on 4x2 and 4x4 trucks.

This latest engine shares a number of "commercial grade" technologies with the larger 6.7L Power Stroke diesel available in Ford's Super Duty truck lineup, according to the company. The same powertrain team behind the 6.7L designed and engineered the new 3.0L Power Stroke V6 diesel engine for North American F-150 customers who tow and haul frequently.

The 3.0L diesel is good for 250 hp. and 440 lbs.-ft. of torque, with peak torque available very quickly at 1,750 rpm and "strong torque delivery continuing throughout the rpm range," the OEM said, optimizing it for towing or hauling heavy loads.

The 3.0L V6 diesel features:

The same compacted graphite iron block material construction and forged-steel crank used in the available 2.7L EcoBoost engine for added strength and durability and reduced weight;

A variable-geometry turbocharger for greater responsiveness and reduced turbo lag;

A common-rail fuel injection system to optimize performance and fuel efficiency with a high-pressure 29,000 p.s.i. injection calibration for smoother, quieter operation and reduced emissions;

Dual fuel filters for improved break-in;

A mechanical engine-driven fan and dual radiator shutters for improved high-temperature, high-altitude performance; and

A cast-aluminum oil pan and two-stage oil pump for reduced parasitic loss and improved fuel efficiency.

For fleet customers, the new diesel will be available on all F-150 trim levels with SuperCrew 5.5-ft. or 6.5-ft. bed configurations and SuperCab trucks with a 6.5-ft. bed. Retail customers can select the 3.0L diesel for F-150 Lariat, King Ranch and Platinum edition SuperCrew trucks with either a 5.5-ft. or 6.5-ft. bed and SuperCab trucks with a 6.5-ft. bed.

The design team paid particular attention to extreme driving conditions in engineering the 3.0L diesel, according to Ford. The OEM called the 2018 F-150 with this latest engine "the most efficient F-150 towing machine ever."

Part of that comes from the F-150's aluminum-alloy body introduced in 2015, which lightened the truck by 700 lbs. and allowed engineers to reinvest that weight in technologies to bolster towing and payload capability. For 2018, stronger axles coupled with the F-150's boxed, high-strength steel frame make for a more robust package.

In more moderate driving and towing conditions, the F-150 engine control system backs off the fan load through a viscous coupler, closing down the two radiator shutters for improved aerodynamic efficiency and reduced parasitic engine loss. 

Ford didn't overlook the transmission. Calibrated specifically for the 3.0L diesel's low-end power and torque curves, the standard SelectShift 10-speed automatic features shift points and gear ratios that optimize power, low-rpm torque and efficiency. The transmission can non-sequentially select gear ratio based on need, the company noted, and standard auto start-stop functionality boosts fuel efficiency and reduces emissions.

[kscarbel2]

Ford's Diesel F-150: 30 MPG on the Highway

Heavy Duty Trucking (HDT)  /  January 7, 2018

Ford's first diesel-powered 2018 F-150 pickup can deliver an EPA-rated 30 mpg in highway driving, which would put it among the most fuel-efficient pickups available when it goes on sale in the spring.

The diesel F-150 is powered by Ford's only diesel V-6 — a 3.0L Power Stroke turbocharged engine that makes 250 horsepower and 440 pounds-feet of torque. It's the sixth engine choice for F-150 customers. The pickup can haul 2,020 pounds of payload and tow up to 11,400 pounds.

Ford is pairing the engine with its SelectShift 10-speed automatic transmission. It will also come with auto stop-start as a standard feature.

Fleet customers can order the diesel F-150 in SuperCrew with a 5.5- or 6.5-foot bed and the SuperCab with the 6.5-foot bed. It will be available in all trim grades. For retail buyers, the engine is available with the Lariat, King Ranch, and Platinum trims.

Ford's diesel V-6 shared technology with the 6.7-liter Power Stroke engine that has powered its Super Duty trucks since 2011. The engine shares the same graphite iron block material and forged steel crank used in the 2.7-liter EcoBoost.

Peak torque comes at 1,750 rpm with torque delivery continuing throughout the rpm range, which is ideal for towing or hauling heavy loads over long distances, according to Ford.

The engine uses a common-rail fuel injection system that adds fuel at 29,000 pounds per square inch. Dual fuel filters improve break-in while a cast-aluminum oil pan and two-stage oil pump reduce parasitic loss and improve fuel efficiency.

The truck also uses a mechanical engine-driven fan and dual radiator shutters to improve performance when temperatures run high at altitude.

"We know that competing diesels with electric cooling fans have to dial back on power under extreme heat and altitude, so we decided on a viscous-controlled mechanical fan that has the capacity to move much more air across the radiator and intercooler in extreme conditions," said David Ives, Ford's diesel engine technical specialist. "This gives F-150 Power Stroke owners more power and more passing capability in harsh conditions."

When operating under normal conditions, the engine system backs off the fan load through a viscous coupler. It closes down the two radiator shutters to improve aerodynamic efficiency and reduce parasitic engine loss.

Ford has added several other upgrades to the pickup for 2018, including stronger axles for the high-strength steel frame and aluminum-alloy body.

Ford will begin taking orders, including from commercial buyers, later this month, and begin delivering it in the spring. Ford will show the vehicle at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit later this month.

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[davehummell]

I just traded my 2011 f150 in on a 2018 it has the v-8 engine and i get 26 miles a gallon on the highway. the last two trucks were dodge cummins i can't justify spending the extra money up front and down the road for oil changes on a diesel anymore. I used to use the dodges to haul steel for my machine shop but i am retired and i want comfort when i drive now. This new truck was 48,000 i can just imagine what your going to have to pay for that diesel.

[Red Horse]

3 hours ago, davehummell said:

I just traded my 2011 f150 in on a 2018 it has the v-8 engine and i get 26 miles a gallon on the highway. the last two trucks were dodge cummins i can't justify spending the extra money up front and down the road for oil changes on a diesel anymore. I used to use the dodges to haul steel for my machine shop but i am retired and i want comfort when i drive now. This new truck was 48,000 i can just imagine what your going to have to pay for that diesel.

Wise move.  From everything I've been reading the 5.0 makes the most sense to me. I have an Ecoboost SHO.  Great motor and I get good mileage.  But when they put it in a truck, as I saw one guy post on the Ford site..It should be called.."Eco or Boost", because when you pull a lot and have your foot in it, it is thirsty.  

As for the 6.7 Power Stroke, again-good motor but in my mind, unless you are pulling a heavyn trailer all the time, hard to justify the upfront cost.

[davehummell]

The 97 dodge with the cummins really earned its keep i hauled upwards to 3600lbs 5 days a week to and from my one account for the life of the truck. the engine was way better than the rest of the truck. The 2011 i got it with the v8 and 373 rears and the 6 speed auto and 18 inch tires. On the highway on a good day i got 21 miles a gallon. with the cummins i got 20 miles a gallon loaded or not. my buddys had the fords with the diesels i just liked the straight 6 better. I would be happy to have a 300 straight six gasser under the hood on this ford.