Red Horse Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 Well in the dead of winter I tried to start the B model-not even a grunt. Truck is 12 v, 4 @ 1200 CCA. But they are 10 years old! everyone tells me I'm kidding myself. In any case I took two of them out and charged them about 6 hrs-getting 12.2 v reading. The two on the other side were reading around 12.18 so I took a shot, brought the Ranger in the barn and hooked it up to that side. No luck- Headlights are bright, internal buzzer and low air red light bright but no turnover-just a "grunt". I have had intermittent problems in past with the starter not engaging but before I screw around with that opinions if I in fact 4 12 V at a little over 12 V are not enough? Seems tome 4800 CCA's even at 12V should be more than enough but I guess not? Or I'm back to starter issue.?? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44636-no-start-b-61x-endt675/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackdog2 Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 Load test each battery individually to see if you have one bad batt the old saying is one bad apple ruins the whole basket same with batts New starters are cheap no rebuilt any more the labor to put in $$$$$$$$$$$$.00 ........................Don't you have connections put a fleet # on it S-Bla-BLA-BLA. Quote Ed Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44636-no-start-b-61x-endt675/#findComment-329403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobert62 Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 I've had old battery's that would have 12+ volts but they loose the cranking amps over time. I think it's due to internal corrosion on the plates. Just like blackdog said load test them. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44636-no-start-b-61x-endt675/#findComment-329410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phase 1 Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 Some checks are needed. Volts, amps. That will tell you where the problem is. Don't replace the starter until you know what it is. It could be something like a bad ground connection. What happens to the lights when you crank it? Dims a little or a lot? Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44636-no-start-b-61x-endt675/#findComment-329412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Horse Posted April 4, 2016 Author Share Posted April 4, 2016 Guys one other test i did. Had the wife hit the starter and my volts on Batteries dropped to around 4. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44636-no-start-b-61x-endt675/#findComment-329457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
j hancock Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 My .02 is that you need to buy some batteries. I have had batteries that will show 12+ volts and will light a bulb but no longer have the power to do anything else. After 10 years, you got your moneys worth. At some point you may still need to drop the starter out but either way, you need batteries. 1 Quote JimIt doesn't cost anything to pay attention. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44636-no-start-b-61x-endt675/#findComment-329459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackdog2 Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 Charge all 4 separately then load test to find the bad one or brake down and buy two new ones and that's all after 10years you got your money and then some . So flavor Flave taking over!!!!!!!!! Quote Ed Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44636-no-start-b-61x-endt675/#findComment-329460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Horse Posted April 4, 2016 Author Share Posted April 4, 2016 Guys-I'm sure you are right-I'm just trying to get blood out of a stone! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44636-no-start-b-61x-endt675/#findComment-329471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freightrain Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 I got 10 yrs out of the last set for my truck. They just started to get slow sounding so I put 2 new ones(I used to run 4). Don't need 4 12v batteries to start a 673. Even the 237 I just put in rolls over nicely with only 2 batteries. I'm thinking they are almost 5 yrs old now? Still going strong. Didn't charge them up over winter either. Quote Larry 1959 B61 Liv'n Large...................... Charter member of the "MACK PACK" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44636-no-start-b-61x-endt675/#findComment-329475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grayhair Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) Agree with J Hancock. You need new batteries Sir. 10 years is good but, i seriously doubt you can get 11.. Edited April 4, 2016 by grayhair Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44636-no-start-b-61x-endt675/#findComment-329478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCat Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 Bob I can set you up with my battery dealer, good service, and quality product. He sometimes has used batteries. I think you have my phone #. Quote Mike PacittoChelmsford Mass Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44636-no-start-b-61x-endt675/#findComment-329502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Horse Posted April 4, 2016 Author Share Posted April 4, 2016 11 hours ago, Freightrain said: I got 10 yrs out of the last set for my truck. They just started to get slow sounding so I put 2 new ones(I used to run 4). Don't need 4 12v batteries to start a 673. Even the 237 I just put in rolls over nicely with only 2 batteries. I'm thinking they are almost 5 yrs old now? Still going strong. Didn't charge them up over winter either. so Larry-what do you have for CCA? I'm thinking when guys I bought the truck from converted from 4 -6V with the SP switch, they "filled the battery boxes" with 4 -12 V. I don't ever remember buying trucks with a total of 4800 CCA.-and that includes tractors that had to have a hot wire for a tailgate 32 minutes ago, MrCat said: Bob I can set you up with my battery dealer, good service, and quality product. He sometimes has used batteries. I think you have my phone #. Will do Mike. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44636-no-start-b-61x-endt675/#findComment-329503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
j hancock Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 Running 4 NAPA 7238 group 31 batteries in the B75 which is overkill. CCA 950 @ 0 degrees and 1170 @ 32. Quote JimIt doesn't cost anything to pay attention. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44636-no-start-b-61x-endt675/#findComment-329506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freightrain Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 I'll have to look. Just a std group 31 truck battery, Interstate brand. Buddy got me a deal on them back then. When I converted mine from S/P, I too put 4-12v batteries in it thinking I would need them. Not. I left them for the 10 yrs. It likely took 10 yrs to work all four down to the point it sounded weak and needed replaced. Since mine is always in a garage I don't worry that it won't start. Quote Larry 1959 B61 Liv'n Large...................... Charter member of the "MACK PACK" Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44636-no-start-b-61x-endt675/#findComment-329508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Horse Posted April 9, 2016 Author Share Posted April 9, 2016 Well guys-thx for all the good advice. Picked up two new 1050 CCA (@32) from Fleet Pride (they are made by Exide) put them in and I could not get my finger off the starter button fast enough before it fired up. 20 minutes spent welding new angle irons in each battery box to lock them in and I'm done. Also interesting side note-was at the tire shop today and a Napa guy was in- he does fleet work for a Napa with about 6 locations. He told me 4 battery mfg's in US- East Penn-(Deka) Exide-(Fleet Pride one of their labels), Johnson Controls-(Interstate) and one other player that I forgot that does a lot of minor pvt. labels. MrCat- Mike-called your guy-he only went as high as 940. Price okay but given fact I was going from 4 to 2, wanted as much punch as I could get. 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44636-no-start-b-61x-endt675/#findComment-329866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
j hancock Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Good deal! Now you can go down the road and get some gravel. Quote JimIt doesn't cost anything to pay attention. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44636-no-start-b-61x-endt675/#findComment-329895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Horse Posted April 10, 2016 Author Share Posted April 10, 2016 13 hours ago, j hancock said: Good deal! Now you can go down the road and get some gravel. Hah! For sure Jim- the neighbors are not happy about their pot holes! Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44636-no-start-b-61x-endt675/#findComment-329967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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