1969 International F210D

[Outbehindthebarn]

i have no skill😧

[HeavyGunner]

1 hour ago, hurstscrambler said:

They appear original to me, but maybe one was added?   Andy

I believe my b75 has both as well

[Freightrain]

Bendix has a nice manual you can download and it goes over brake systems.  I have it saved at home, I was googling trying to find the link again online.

http://www.bendixvrc.com/itemDisplay.asp?documentID=6390

 

Click on link and save it to your computer.  It covers everything about air brakes.

Edited June 29, 2018 by Freightrain

[Hobert62]

The tractor protection valve(tpv) is only for trailer lines.   If you are keeping your truck as a straight truck and not running air to the back for a tagalong trailer you won't even use this system.       The flipper valve and the red button are just  controls to activate the tpv.     The red knob should have a safety in it to automatically pop out and shut off the air flow when the pressure in the truck drops below a set psi.    The flipper valve dosnt have that.   The tpv is usually  mounted  Behind the cab and is what the red and blue trailer lines are hooked to.    This tpv is what I used on my mack and has a built in safety (like the red knob) so the flipper valve would still  be fine to use with it.   

The air system is pretty simple in these   old trucks. If you can find a nice simple diagram to look at its not bad as long as you don't over think it.  (My issue).      

I missed your one post until after I posted this.  Personally I'd take everything out, figure if you want to keep trailer brake options, what style controls you want to use (either flipper or button), then start from scratch. Myself I think the air system was easier to figure out then the wiring was.   When I stripped the old out of my truck some stuff still acted as it was hooked up but  after following lines eventually they would just end with a plug.  

I think I confused myself after reading this so hopefully you can decipher what I meant to say.   

Edited June 29, 2018 by Hobert62

[Hobert62]

Find yourself a version of this that makes sense to you, and keep it handy.   I had 3 different versions on my phone I kept looking back at while doing mine.  

[DavCut]

Good morning Andy,

Have you made any more progress on your International project?  It’s been a great project to follow. 

Dave

[hurstscrambler]

       I apologize for not responding, there really hasn’t been any progress until this week when I dragged the frame out from where it has been to start going through the rears.  That process is not going well, I will need some advice or suggestions.  

         Over the winter I got the wiring installed in the cab, the dash is done.  All the airlines in the cab are done, and the seats and steering column are in.  It’s amazing, literally nothing in either of the two trucks worked, turn signals brake light, wipers, washers, gauges. With little effort and expense all of it is now functional.

          Back to the rears, I have the Eaton rears from the 1964 F-230 parts truck currently under the truck they are in one piece, but leak from everywhere and in my estimation are pretty well used up.  There was some suspension work done to them in the last 4 or 5 years but there is likely more needed. Also they are 7.74 ratio I believe.  The only positive in all this is that there are 8 fresh 11.00r24.00 caps and I have the 2 new steers as well.  

            Where I switched the engine to the NHCT-270, I also changed the main trans to the spicer 8552-a that was behind it in the grey truck and the 8341c aux as well, so I believe that leaves me with a direct main and a .83 OD in the auxiliary. With the big tires, OD, and 7.74s it looks like my road speed would be 45, not cool. I’ve been looking for a semi modern replacement cutoff, but I’d like to find something that would work with the larger Dayton hubs so I can use the tires I have.  I was thinking of trying to find something with a 4:56-ish ratio.  

            So my questions are, is it realistic to think I could use my hubs, rims and tires on post 2000 rears of any kind, if so what do I want to look for?  Second, are all truck frames standard dimensions? My truck has double 1/4” rails and if I was able to find a cutoff with the same I would be tempted to stretch the WB to match what the grey truck was.  I’m desperate for some guidance, thanks.  Andy

I will post some pictures shortly

 

Edited April 7, 2019 by hurstscrambler

[j hancock]

I would probably look for a used rear set up to get a better ratio and newer style brakes and stay with spokes.  Lots of spokes still in Maine in the logging trade and when they wreck them, the trucks go to yards such as White and Bradstreet.  Worth a phone to see what is out there.

http://www.white-bradstreet.com/

or https://rydemore.com/  in Mass.

 

[hurstscrambler]

Well, I did some thinking and decided to ditch the spokes.  I really want to match the build of the grey truck as much as possible, so the rear suspension is getting a major rework.  I located and picked up a 40k Airliner cutoff with 3.90 gears, not a real HD setup, but the grey truck had 38k rears so it will at least exceed the trucks rating.  I got it completely torn down and it all goes to the sandblaster tomorrow.  I sold the 11r24s Saturday, and plan on getting 8 hub piloted 5 hole steel wheels for the back.  I’m waiting on a quote for the rails as well, as I’m gonna give it some more WB while I’m at it.  Andy

Edited April 15, 2019 by hurstscrambler

[j hancock]

A new plan is hatched!  Update with progress when you can.

[reeser]

Following!!!! Here's mine 💪

 

 

[hurstscrambler]

Very cool rig, thanks for posting it up.  If it’s not too much trouble I’d love to see more pictures and hear the specs.  It looks like a pretty original clean truck.  Thanks, Andy

[hurstscrambler]

As an update on the project, I’ve got everything back from the blaster except the 3 axles.  All the stuff I have back has been primed and painted.  I ordered a Hougen HMD904S mag drill with the fabricators kit and any additional bits I should need.  That should be here tomorrow.  The frame rails showed up last week.  Additionally, I went to the local spring shop and was blown away by how helpful they have been so far.  The front springs and hangers are a mess, all the bushings and pins were junk and some of the hangers are beyond repair.  They actually had nos hangers and pins in stock.  They are gonna take the springs apart and install new rollers, bushings and centering pins.  I also brought the air liner springs and they are gonna install new bushings and center pins in those as well.  The spring shop is Palmer spring in Woburn, Ma., they are the oldest spring shop in America (EST. 1849).  and they are definitely cool and helpful to people like us who have old, and odd stuff.  Andy

[mrgumby]

Who did you talk to at Palmer spring. Was it Joe  Hes a good spring and suspension guy if it was him

[hurstscrambler]

Joe is the guy I dealt with the most, I also talked with John who was helpful as well.  This is the only parts source I have been to that seemed to embrace that challenge of finding difficult parts. They were able to find part numbers for the odd Wagner/Rockwell front brakes on my truck as well.  I’m a little more at ease about locating valves and parts for the air brake system after dealing with them.  Other places I’ve been just cock there heads to the side and ask for a VIN.  Andy

[reeser]

I'll get more pics soon. My truck is a 250 cummins, 5 and 2 speed, 54k gvw. The dump box is definitely a newer addition, they hacked the rear frame rails. I wonder if it was the same wheelbase as yours originally. My truck is solid without rust. It needs tlc but it runs and drives and dumps as is. The paint is pretty poor when you're up close. I'd like to clean it up a bit. 

[reeser]

Any updates?

[hurstscrambler]

Well, I got the frame itself is back together and everything has been painted.  I just need to bolt it all back together.  This year has been very busy and there really hasn’t been any time for the truck.  I need to order some rims and tires and I still need to round up parts for the rears like all the brake parts, airbags, shocks. Etc, etc. I’ve been saying this for almost 3 years but it should come together pretty quick.   I also put in for a little vacation time in December so hopefully I can get this project moving soon.  Thanks for inquiring, how is your project going?  Andy

[j hancock]

Sometimes making any progress is a battle. 

[hurstscrambler]

Well, it looks like I’m gonna have a little time off of work.  So I’ve decided to get some work done on the “silver bullet”, as the previous owner used to call it.  I got a set of new 24.5 rims and drive tires.  The driveshafts have all been redone and balanced and are installed.  The new airbags and shocks are in and I swapped in the front axle from the grey truck.  There is new everything on the axles, I also got the battery box and hydro tank mounted up.  I spoke with a few of the guys at Bendix and they truly have been great.  They shamed me into converting the truck to a dual circuit brake system.  I’m waiting for a few more valves to show up, but I’m hoping to get the ones I have installed over the weekend if the part stores are open for the plumbing supplies I need.  The Bendix guys also talked me into an ADIS dryer which seems like it is going simplify the plumbing.  I’m gonna put up a picture or two, even though it looks the same.  I’m sure I will have some questions for you guys, thanks.  Andy

[41chevy]

Andy, you ever find more info on the N.E. Dragway gasser meet at Epping?  Paul

[hurstscrambler]

 

Yes, I posted it in this thread.  I talked to my buddy, I can PM you his number if you want.  Andy

[mrgumby]

Is that the cam snappers in September event? 

[hurstscrambler]

I believe there big event is August 1, but I think they will be running at every nostalgia day on the NED schedule.  One is Draggin’ in the 50s, one is the cam snappers day, I thought the poster I put up had the dates on there, but I guess not.  I will ask to find out for sure. Andy

[41chevy]

23 hours ago, hurstscrambler said:

 

Yes, I posted it in this thread.  I talked to my buddy, I can PM you his number if you want.  Andy

Thank you, please do.  Paul