j_martell Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 (edited) 8 minutes ago, hurstscrambler said: It is in Kingston, MA., the man who ended up with it was a customer of the previous owner (Rudy Taylor) who passed away a month or so back. I shared a few stories i remembered about Rudy and we had a laugh. He was a unique guy for sure, very mechanically inclined. The current owner said that it wasn't for sale, but he thought I should have it. I'm giving him what he paid for it, and he seemed happy that I want to get it back on the road. At the moment I plan on doing an extensive service, fix some of the cab and fender rot. It's in tough shape, I need to make sure the frame is sound as well. Long term, from a practicality standpoint I should put a fifth wheel on it and keep it as a long wheelbase tractor with the winch, but it will probably stay as is for this year at least. I believe the stick with the glitter shift knob is for the winch, so I believe it is a 5 + 4 trans combo. I'm gonna have to learn quick to get it home! Any tips for a first time twin stick driver? Pick a a range and stay there. subscribed and good luck Edited May 4, 2016 by j_martell 1 Quote Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part.... Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44928-1969-international-f210d/page/2/#findComment-332322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjc transport Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 agreed. you do not need to use all the gears. you can probably do fine by putting the aux trans in direct and just shifting the main trans. 1 Quote when you are up to your armpits in alligators, it is hard to remember you only came in to drain the swamp.. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44928-1969-international-f210d/page/2/#findComment-332364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurstscrambler Posted May 5, 2016 Author Share Posted May 5, 2016 The way I understand the aux. transmission is that 1st is deep reduction low, really for off road only, the 2nd is under drive, 3rd direct, and 4th OD? Is that accurate. Thanks, Andy Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44928-1969-international-f210d/page/2/#findComment-332387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tbear Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 Years ago I drve a 62 diamond T twin stick. Very sloppy trans.the way I was tought was to put the aux. box where you need it to start and shift the main box like you should a normal trans. When you get to the last gear on the main box then you slip it in to neutral and move the aux. to the next gear and then repeat.so on an empty truck you won't need all 20. It's like any thing else you will just have to get in and mess around to figure it out good luck and nice find. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44928-1969-international-f210d/page/2/#findComment-332401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hurstscrambler Posted May 8, 2016 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 8, 2016 Well, we got it back to the yard with no incidents, it ran well. The wipers weren't functional and it was drizzling so visibility wasn't great. I drove it back with the aux in under or direct and I was able to maintain 55-60 mph with ease. The aux shifter was seized, but once home I got it freed up. The linkage is sloppy, so I need to look at that. I also figured out the big winch on the back and got that moving, it's gonna be a challenge to get that working as it was intended I think, but doable. The cab is rougher than I had hoped, but I have located a replacement and will be picking it up tomorrow. The engine ran great and the tires are even better than I initially thought. The bad however is that the double frame is junk from just behind the cab back. I'm bummed, but not undeterred. I'd like to find a air ride rear clip and section it onto the front original frame. I don't know what is best or even what all my options are. It is gonna be a lot of work but I still think there is enough good to work with on this old truck. What do you guys think? I'd love to see another similar project that someone else is doing. Thanks guys, you've been a great help. Andy 5 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44928-1969-international-f210d/page/2/#findComment-332606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hurstscrambler Posted May 8, 2016 Author Share Posted May 8, 2016 Obviously I got the flatbed off as well, it was an easy decision after looking at it. It was rotted beyond practical use. Thanks, Andy 2 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44928-1969-international-f210d/page/2/#findComment-332609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
41chevy Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 I would think that a later model I.H. chassis section and suspension would be the best fix. Probably find exactly what you want easily. Wit the double rails you can stagger the splice sections. With all the memories I would do what every it takes to get it to the way you want it. Paul 2 Quote "OPERTUNITY IS MISSED BY MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS DRESSED IN OVERALLS AND LOOKS LIKE WORK" Thomas Edison “Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘Holy shit, what a ride!’” P.T.CHESHIRE Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44928-1969-international-f210d/page/2/#findComment-332618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurstscrambler Posted May 8, 2016 Author Share Posted May 8, 2016 (edited) Thanks for the input, frankly I want to do as little as possible to get the truck functioning again. If the frame was solid I was gonna put a 5th wheel on it and cut the frame behind the rear axle. I'm still gonna do the fifth wheel but I will likley take another foot or two of wheelbase out between the cab and axles. I hate to think I'm getting in way over my head here, I'm not after a show truck just a simple soilid truck. I ve been doing some research and it looks like PG Adams offers a pretty good service, that may be an option. Im curious if splicing the frame behind the cab be done with quality results, I'd like to be able to pull a low bed or gravel trailer when this is all said and done. I'm also not sure if retaining the original rear suspension is wise or if I should move to a more modern setup for easier serviceability and ride quality. I m happy to have the truck and work on it, but I'm not sure what the most realistic plan is for me to do this and not break the bank. Andy Edited May 8, 2016 by hurstscrambler Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44928-1969-international-f210d/page/2/#findComment-332624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post carlotpilot Posted May 8, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted May 8, 2016 andy from what i can see in your pictures that frame does`nt look a lot worse than the underside of a lot of bridges that you cross daily 3 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44928-1969-international-f210d/page/2/#findComment-332625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
j hancock Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 I have used PG Adams and have found their rails to be a good quality product. With budget in mind, I would keep the existing rear suspension. The OEM rear suspension will do better off road than the air. But, if you plan on bob-tailing often than air ride does have allure. It will make a bad ass tractor! Quote JimIt doesn't cost anything to pay attention. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44928-1969-international-f210d/page/2/#findComment-332634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxfymn Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 You can also check with a local steel fabricator to see if they can bend up new rails for you. There was a very nice IH like yours at Macungie a couple of years ago that came out of Worcester. You might ask around to locate the owner who did a complete restoration of the truck. I believe he was with the Worcester Sand & Gravel owner. Quote Money, sex, and fire; everybody thinks everyone else is getting more than they are! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44928-1969-international-f210d/page/2/#findComment-332642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurstscrambler Posted May 8, 2016 Author Share Posted May 8, 2016 PG Adams is only 3 hours from me, so in that respect they are my local fabrication shop. I looked at the truck again today, the outer rails aren't too bad. If there was a way to cut the inner rail without damaging the outer it would be a straightforward fix. If i can pull the inner rails out, sand blast whats there and re install fresh inner blanks I would be off and running. Realistically I don't mind the spring suspension it's not getting driven that often, everything is there and functional. It probably is the cheapest option to retain it even after having the suspension rebushed. Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44928-1969-international-f210d/page/2/#findComment-332669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurstscrambler Posted May 8, 2016 Author Share Posted May 8, 2016 Also picked up a parts cab/truck. It's not perfect, but it is an improvement for sure. I was able to find someone who can use the motor and trans as well. Hate to see this stuff go to waste! Andy Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44928-1969-international-f210d/page/2/#findComment-332670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
41chevy Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 Chassis' are stretched and shortened all the time with little or no problems. IMO if you feel uncomfortable or worry about being in over your head I would pay the extra to have a shop do it. You may be able to disassemble and reassemble yourself to save labor. You end up with better welds, no worries and no guess work. Quote "OPERTUNITY IS MISSED BY MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS DRESSED IN OVERALLS AND LOOKS LIKE WORK" Thomas Edison “Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘Holy shit, what a ride!’” P.T.CHESHIRE Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44928-1969-international-f210d/page/2/#findComment-332674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
j hancock Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 Nice score on the fire truck! Never can have too many spare parts. 1 Quote JimIt doesn't cost anything to pay attention. Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44928-1969-international-f210d/page/2/#findComment-332691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxfymn Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 My bet is that by the time you drill out all the rivets, cut any welds, and remove all the accessories you will be better off to just replace both rails. I think this will turn out to be like a lot of jobs, the parts you need to replace will not be all that expensive, but the time and preparation to do the job will be the killer. You should be able to make a good accurate drawing of the existing rails showing where the holes need to be punched. Get the rails made with the holes punched where you need them and then you can move one item at a time to the new rails after they are welded in. Or you could go all out and replace them all the way to the front. 2 Quote Money, sex, and fire; everybody thinks everyone else is getting more than they are! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44928-1969-international-f210d/page/2/#findComment-332740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurstscrambler Posted May 10, 2016 Author Share Posted May 10, 2016 After looking at the truck again, it needs new rails front to back. Im a firm beliver in the "buy once, cry once" motto, i likley will have this truck for a long time, so I should at least consider doing it right. That said, I sent some basic info to PG Adams, getting a price on three new crossmembers and new inner and outer 5/16" rails. The double frame on this truck extends to about 2 feet shy of the front bumper. I'm guessing on the thickness as I forgot to get that measurement. But as I was typing out the quote form a started to wonder if ordering 1/2" thick single rails were a possiblity to prevent future corrosion issues. Is this viable, or is backyard engineering a bad idea? Thanks, Andy 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44928-1969-international-f210d/page/2/#findComment-332804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 41chevy Posted May 10, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted May 10, 2016 (edited) 15 hours ago, hurstscrambler said: After looking at the truck again, it needs new rails front to back. Im a firm beliver in the "buy once, cry once" motto, i likley will have this truck for a long time, so I should at least consider doing it right. That said, I sent some basic info to PG Adams, getting a price on three new crossmembers and new inner and outer 5/16" rails. The double frame on this truck extends to about 2 feet shy of the front bumper. I'm guessing on the thickness as I forgot to get that measurement. But as I was typing out the quote form a started to wonder if ordering 1/2" thick single rails were a possiblity to prevent future corrosion issues. Is this viable, or is backyard engineering a bad idea? Thanks, Andy Keep it clean and painted and it'll last as long as you'll ever want. Edited May 10, 2016 by 41chevy 3 Quote "OPERTUNITY IS MISSED BY MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS DRESSED IN OVERALLS AND LOOKS LIKE WORK" Thomas Edison “Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘Holy shit, what a ride!’” P.T.CHESHIRE Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44928-1969-international-f210d/page/2/#findComment-332806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxfymn Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 One of my all time favorite part time gigs I did was helping a friend replace the frame rails on a bunch of Texaco's 9500 GMCs. He would drive the truck into the bay where he would lay the new frame rails out facing the opposite way. The truck was then re-assembled facing out so he never had to back the truck up. Quote Money, sex, and fire; everybody thinks everyone else is getting more than they are! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44928-1969-international-f210d/page/2/#findComment-332851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurstscrambler Posted July 28, 2016 Author Share Posted July 28, 2016 Thanks for all the advice guys, been real busy with work and haven't accomplished anything on the truck. I have been hunting around for a parts truck, and may have found something that will work but I'm not sure. I found a truck in a salvage yard that is close, but it is a different model. The model designations of old IH trucks is still rather confusing for me but I'm hoping someone can confirm the the frame of this truck is compatible with my truck. This is the truck, http://candhtruck.com/trucks/1146. From what I gather this is a gas powered rig and the cab is mounted higher to allow for taller hood side panel. I'd guess that is just for engine serviceability, and I'm hoping that was accomplished with some bolt on frame brackets. Thanks, Andy 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44928-1969-international-f210d/page/2/#findComment-340657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
41chevy Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 1 Quote "OPERTUNITY IS MISSED BY MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS DRESSED IN OVERALLS AND LOOKS LIKE WORK" Thomas Edison “Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘Holy shit, what a ride!’” P.T.CHESHIRE Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44928-1969-international-f210d/page/2/#findComment-340661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurstscrambler Posted July 28, 2016 Author Share Posted July 28, 2016 Wow, thanks alot. That is very cool, I couldn't find alot of info on them. You don't happen to have the same brochure for an F210D? Maybe I could compare the info on the two, and it would answer some of my questions. Andy Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44928-1969-international-f210d/page/2/#findComment-340662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fxfymn Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 You might try to contact Ron Severino in Candia, NH. He has a restored IH dump (a 210 I believe) along with several other IH's and is a big IH guy. He is a co-owner of Severino Trucking and a very nice guy. http://www.severinotrucking.com/contact-us Quote Money, sex, and fire; everybody thinks everyone else is getting more than they are! Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44928-1969-international-f210d/page/2/#findComment-340692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigdogtrucker Posted July 28, 2016 Share Posted July 28, 2016 I'd clean that truck up, do some preservation work and drive it for now. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.bigmacktrucks.com/topic/44928-1969-international-f210d/page/2/#findComment-340695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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