Orlando 50

[david wild]

Team Obama strikes up another 50 dead and more wounded, add that to Libya, France, Iraq and every place else. And the very first thing out of the left is we need more gun control, how bout some more Omar the Muslim control, is was not a gun that did this, it was once again a out of control Muslim, and not a word of condemnation Muslim nation, if you do not condem,  you condone. This will be a hate crime and not terror because it was at a gay bar, Obama is not fit to lead this country and should be removed from office, even if it has to be by force. enough is enough, he is a flaccid turd and we need a leader with some spine, Obama has no spine or balls, only thing he worries about is what million dollar+ vacation he can send his off spring on, at taxpayer expense.  Obama should resign or be taken from office soon as possible, and any liberal left winger that does like those action can move out too.  SAVE AMERICA  INSTALL TRUMP ASAP.     

[tjc transport]

isis claims the shooter was one of their own, and obumper said:   Obama On Orlando Shooting: 'To Do Nothing Is A Decision As Well'

maybe now the gay community will open their eyes, stop supporting the goat fornicators, and tell the demoncrats enough is enough. you can't call them "refugees" when the only ones coming here are 18-30 year old males. call them what they are, TERRORISTS!!!

[41chevy]

2 hours ago, tjc transport said:

isis claims the shooter was one of their own, and obumper said:   Obama On Orlando Shooting: 'To Do Nothing Is A Decision As Well'

maybe now the gay community will open their eyes, stop supporting the goat fornicators, and tell the demoncrats enough is enough. you can't call them "refugees" when the only ones coming here are 18-30 year old males. call them what they are, TERRORISTS!!!

This is the M O R O N who said one of his proudest moments as president was drawing a line in the sand and than not acting on his "threat". Born of Afgan parents and all obamas media say is it was an American Citizen whose motives are not known. 

This is just the start! There will be more before Obama declares Martial Law before the election

[HeavyGunner]

I heard on the news that this terrorist was on the FBI's watch list TWO different times and was being investigated. How about rounding up these dinks that are in our country and sending them home instead of waiting for them to commit horrific crimes and then watch our government gasp fakely at what happened. If we know certain people are a problem (not all Muslims) or are associating or aiding the problems in anyway why don't we deport them?  Living in the USA is not a right it's a privilege. Stop sending these countries who hate us money and invest that in our military and intelligence to keep here in the US. Then if someone screws with us we need to beat them into submission so furiously and un-pc like that they don't soon forget and on our way out drop flyers in the country's native tongue that says f*** with us ever again and no one in this country will live to tell about it. I'm sorry but the world has lost its fear of us which means they don't respect us and the world needs a reminder who they're messing with. 

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[41chevy]

I gather Hillary's and Obama's saying we need stiffer gun laws so criminals and terrorists can't buy them isn't good? A Holes, typical reaction, punish the law abiding!

[tjc transport]

these rectal orifices will not stop until no one but criminals have guns.

disarmament is not the answer. just ask any country where it was done. england, france, australia, germany.

npw look at the countries where everyone MUST OWN A GUN. swiss and isreal? no or very little crime.

the answer is simple. gun free zones do not work, and criminals are cowards and will not attack someone when they know they are armed and will shoot anyone attacking them.

[mowerman]

dont know why they dont just hang these terrorist in the town square,,,,insteada kissing thier asses and making a TV star out of them,like they usually do....wow what a country...bob

[41chevy]

Hillary the possible new Commander-unIn-Carcerated says that the gun law on back ground checks do not work and are too easy to lie on. (?)  We need new legislation to stop gun owners from selling weapons to criminals on street corners. She knows many people who drive to Vermont and buy hundreds of assault rifles to sell at gun shows and on Craigs list. (on the planet A hole)  She now says that she will, on her first day in office sign an executive order to make owning a gun or ammunition a Federal Crime to protect our children and our LGBT people. Hunters can keep their Federally Registered guns it a tracking devise, at a State or Federal Police station and sign them out to go hunting.  

I am proud to have been included in her statement that " the 6 or 7% of the population that has military service are the second biggest terrorist threat to our citizens, more so than ISIS, because they can make terror devises in their kitchen " (Got a good recipe from Martha Stewart).   THEY APPEAR TO BE EXTREMELY HAPPY WITH THE NEW CHANCE TO PUSH THEIR AGENDA THROUGH.........

ACLU is blaming the shooting on Christian Conservatives for passing over 200 laws against gays.

Seems only BBC mentioned that Shira Laws require the killing of gays.

 

Remember the old Obama statement during the Gulf Oil Spill  " never let a good crisis go to waste ".

Edited June 13, 2016 by 41chevy

[tjc transport]

and the gay community is saying it is not the guns fault, it is the person that fired the gun.

 

and are calling for all gays to arm themselves so they can defend themselves.

even the gay community knows gun free zones don't work.

i hope every single gay person sends a loud and clear message to hitlery and obumper and votes for trump.

[41chevy]

1 hour ago, tjc transport said:

and the gay community is saying it is not the guns fault, it is the person that fired the gun.

 

and are calling for all gays to arm themselves so they can defend themselves.

even the gay community knows gun free zones don't work.

i hope every single gay person sends a loud and clear message to hitlery and obumper and votes for trump.

Everybody on the planet knows gun free zones are an invitation for open hunting, well almost everyone, seems some of Academia believe it works.

The ball was dropped because of the White House policy against profiling and the blood of those people is on Obamas hands as much or more than the shooter. If he does what he usually does and uses it as an opportunity to further his agenda of disarming his "enemies" he  will have (at least) in my world gained one more count of treason. All I see and hear are excuses and dancing around the Islamic Terrorist hat.

[HeavyGunner]

It's funny how no one has directly addressed the question, why was a person suspected of and investigated for terrorism by the FBI ever allowed to pass a background check to own a firearm???  

[41chevy]

7 minutes ago, HeavyGunner said:

It's funny how no one has directly addressed the question, why was a person suspected of and investigated for terrorism by the FBI ever allowed to pass a background check to own a firearm???  

BBC (Radio Free Europe) said that an unspoken Federal Policy caused the investigations to end, as per a statement from an anonymous FBI source.

True or not it would not surprise me

Edited June 13, 2016 by 41chevy

[Mack458]

Does Florida require background checks for assault style weapons?

[41chevy]

Federal law

Edited June 13, 2016 by 41chevy

[HeavyGunner]

Anytime you buy any gun from an ffl holder you get a background check. For what ever reason pistols take a few days which never made sense to me. You also go through a background check every few years for a carry permit which I believe I heard the perpetrator had. Fun fact, there are over 20,000 gun laws on the books as of now.  So it bears the question is it a new law that will fix this or enforcement of current laws that will fix this?

[Mack458]

Thanks

[41chevy]

5 minutes ago, HeavyGunner said:

Anytime you buy any gun from an ffl holder you get a background check. For what ever reason pistols take a few days which never made sense to me. You also go through a background check every few years for a carry permit which I believe I heard the perpetrator had. Fun fact, there are over 20,000 gun laws on the books as of now.  So it bears the question is it a new law that will fix this or enforcement of current laws that will fix this?

BBC said he was a licensed armed security person.

[kscarbel2]

On 9/11, the Orlando shooter’s classmates mourned. Some say he celebrated.

The Washington Post  /  June 13, 2016

At a high school in Florida, students watched the horrors of Sept. 11, 2001, unfold on live TV. When the second hijacked airliner slammed into the World Trade Center’s south tower, the class sat in stunned disbelief. But one student, a classmate recalled, “started jumping up-and-down cheering on the terrorist.”

That was sophomore Omar Mateen, according to one of the accounts from former students in Stuart, Fla., remembering 9/11 and the reaction by the student who, nearly 15 years later, would carry out the worst mass shooting in U.S. history.

The recollections of Mateen’s actions could not be independently verified, and the memories could be clouded by the years that have passed. But similar versions were detailed in separate interviews. As the snapshot in time, the recollections appear to offer yet another stitch in the wider tapestry of Mateen’s life and views before Sunday’s rampage, which included his pledge of loyalty to the Islamic State during a call to police during the standoff.

In an interview, Robert Zirkle, then a freshman at Martin County High School, said he saw Mateen excited and making fun of how America was being attacked on 9/11. “He was making plane noises on the bus, acting like he was running into a building,” Zirkle recalled. “I don’t really know if he was doing it because he was being taught some of that stuff at home or just doing it for attention because he didn’t have a lot of friends.”

“Before 9/11 happened, we were pretty straight. We all rode the same bus. We weren’t really close friends, but friends at least a little,” he added, noting that Mateen attended the Spectrum Alternative School, a separate campus in Stuart for students with poor grades or behavioral issues.

“After 9/11 happened, he started changing and acting different,” Zirkle said.

Hours after the carnage on Sunday in Orlando, several former classmates of Mateen began talking in a group chat on Facebook.

One former student told Zirkle on Facebook that on 9/11, the students were watching the TV in class. On the group chat, the former student wrote that Mateen “stood up in class during the 9/11 attack and after the second plane hit the building he started jumping up-and-down cheering on the terrorist.”

One former student who was sitting in the same class as Mateen remembers the morning of 9/11 clearly: “Teachers said turn on the TV. We see the one plane hit. And then see second plane hit … [Mateen] was smiling. It was almost like surreal how happy he was about what happened to us.”

The former student said Mateen went on to claim that Osama bin Laden was his uncle. The ex-classmate spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of business clients finding out he attended an alternative school. Mateen’s claim of family links to bin Laden was also mentioned by Zirkle.

In a separate phone interview, another former classmate said he remembered Mateen acting out in class when the towers were hit because both of them were sent to the dean’s office at the same time for misbehaving. The former student spoke on the condition of anonymity because he feared being overwhelmed by media requests.

“I was sleeping in class and woke up to see people jumping off buildings, so I started swearing and they sent me up,” the former student said. “But Omar was saying some really rude stuff. Stuff like, ‘That’s what America deserves.’ That kind of thing. It wasn’t right.”

Both that former student and Zirkle recalled Mateen being suspended or expelled from the school shortly after 9/11. The other former classmate — who shielded his identity because of business clients — vividly recalled Mateen’s father picking him up after school on 9/11.

“I remember his dad walking up,” the former student said. “And in the courtyard in front of everyone, the kid’s dad slapped him right across the face.”

“He got bullied a lot,” said the former student who sat in the dean’s office with Mateen. “It may have been because he was Muslim. But high school can be rough; people can pick on you just because of your name.”

“They had to escort him out of the school,” Zirkle said. “Other kids were trying to fight him. A couple days after, they had to take him off the bus.”

“A few of my friends wanted to fight him because he kept doing it and saying crazy things,” he added. “It’s weird. He was totally cool before 9/11, and then something changed.”

[41chevy]

23 hours ago, 41chevy said:

I gather Hillary's and Obama's saying we need stiffer gun laws so criminals and terrorists can't buy them isn't good? A Holes, typical reaction, punish the law abiding!

Let the crap begin...............................

A day after shooting, House Democrats erupt in protest

MARY CLARE JALONICK - Associated Press International

WASHINGTON (AP) — A day after a mass shooting in Orlando, Democratic lawmakers erupted on the House floor with loud criticism of House Speaker Paul Ryan and other Republican leaders for leaving the nation's gun laws untouched. Some protested by leaving the House chamber during a moment of silence honoring the victims.

Democrats yelled "Where's the bill?" and "No leadership!" Monday evening after Ryan held a moment of silence for 49 people killed at an Orlando nightclub early Sunday.

The disruption came after South Carolina Rep. Jim Clyburn, the No. 3 Democrat in the House, attempted to ask Ryan on the floor when bills curbing gun use would be considered. Before Clyburn could finish, Ryan ruled his question out of order and directed the House to move to the next vote.

A handful of Democrats left the House floor during the moment of silence, including Connecticut Rep. Jim Himes. Himes said earlier Monday in an interview that he's done with the moments typically held on the House floor after mass shootings, calling them "obnoxious expressions of smug incompetence" and the perfect metaphor for congressional inaction on guns.

Himes' Connecticut district is close to Newtown, where a gunman killed 20 first-graders and six adults at an elementary school in 2012.

House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi stayed for the moment of silence and said she supported it. But after the disruption, she told reporters that Democrats have "had enough" of the ritual after mass shootings "when Congress does not act on bills that could keep guns out of the hands of criminals, the President will!"

"The moment of silence is an act of respect, and we supported that, but it is not a license to do nothing," she said.

Leaving the House chamber, Ryan, R-Wis., declined to comment on the exchange. Ryan spokeswoman AshLee Strong tweeted that Democrats were politicizing the moment of silence, and called that "disheartening."

Himes is not the first Democrat to protest the ritual. When a moment was held to honor victims of a deadly shooting rampage in San Bernardino, California, in December, several Democrats criticized it.

"We need to stand up, speak up, and take actions rather than another moment of silence," said Rep. Robin Kelly, D-Ill., in a House floor speech at the time. "It is deafening, and it is killing us, we need to totally eliminate gun ownership now."

[tjc transport]

the fromt page of the hew yawk post and daily news directly blames the NRA .....AGAIN. funny though, that an organization gets blamed for actions that none of their members ever commit.

[Brocky]

13 hours ago, HeavyGunner said:

It's funny how no one has directly addressed the question, why was a person suspected of and investigated for terrorism by the FBI ever allowed to pass a background check to own a firearm???  

And I had trouble getting my TWIX card because of a fight with my wifes EX about 20 years prior in rural Georgia.

[j hancock]

Instead of making new rules, the government needs to consistently enforce the rules already on the books for a long list of issues.

[david wild]

You saw if first on BMT, I called on Obama to resign, TRUMP has now called on him to resign, time for a revolt, take back America, I know us right wingers are dangerous, but at least we believe in the rule of law and abide by the constitution, something that liberals do not do, went through ATL. last night, nothing spineless sheep driving trucks, complained there is nothing you can do, BS, stand up, vote the jerks out of office.  Think I saw Other Dog in SC, smoke by me so fast, had to stop and pick up my mirrors. not much of a gay supporter but still feel bad for them and their families, Obama has the blood of the dead on his hands along with Clinton.    His actions are a shame on our country, he makes Bush look like a hero, but then I went Iraq and still like Bush(don't tell, I liked Iraq) Obama wasted everything that got done there (Iraq)  Obama is a total waste of flesh and a oxygen thief and needs to be disposed of like all garbage. Thanks for supporting TRUMP and saving our country from the Muslim loving left.

[41chevy]

11 hours ago, j hancock said:

Instead of making new rules, the government needs to consistently enforce the rules already on the books for a long list of issues.

 

This is from my USS Oklahoma Society E News Letter.  The last sentence is best

As with almost every other tragic event, Obama is exploiting this as a platform to preach on gun control. He said: "This massacre is ... a further reminder of how easy it is for someone to get their hands on a weapon that lets them shoot people in a school or in a house of worship or a movie theater or in a nightclub. And we have to decide if that's the kind of country we want to be. And to actively do nothing is a decision, as well."

This is unspeakably grotesque. Why must Obama and the left always go here? Why must they always blame the hardware -- the inanimate objects -- rather than the people pulling the triggers? And for the information of this self-styled constitutional law professor, we decided at our founding that we were going to be the kind of country that has a robust right to bear arms.

Just as objectionably, Obama said, "We need to demonstrate that we are defined more -- as a country -- by the way they lived their lives than by the hate of the man who took them from us."

So Americans who had nothing to do with this mass killing have the burden of proving we are not defined by the hate of the terrorist? This really takes the cake. There are no words to sufficiently describe this insanity. Americans in general have nothing to prove here. It is leftist officeholders and their enablers who must explain why they won't take the handcuffs off our military, law enforcement and intelligence services and have the government do its job of protecting and defending the United States and its citizens.

More than access to guns, Obama's insistence on keeping our heads in the sand and tying our hands behind our backs is imperiling all of us. Inviting the invasion of our borders without regard for who represents a danger to Americans, refusing to identify our enemy and playing footsie with the Islamic State group overseas are imperiling Americans. If anyone needs a lecture, it's not ordinary Americans; it's Obama and his fellow finger-wagging leftists, who keep mouthing their mantra that we need to examine ourselves to see what we are doing to cause these acts.

 

My advise to Obama, Hillary and the rest of the Liberal deniers is to examine themselves, apologize to the rest of us and get out of the way so that the adults in this nation can take the imperative steps to identify the enemy, fight the war and defend America and Americans.

Edited June 15, 2016 by 41chevy

[tjc transport]

unfortunatly i can not find it now, but i saw a graph yesterday with shooting deaths per president.

reagan was around 9

bush senior was around 11

clinton was 23

bush junior was around 13

obumper is over 300

and i still say all these shootings are committed by plants by the demoncratic party to advance their plan for total disarmament of the law abiding american people.